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 Post subject: Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Post #41 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:43 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know why he tenukied from top-right corner. He can block left side in sente, but this press is very satisfying to me.

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:48 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll add my thoughts later - maybe today, maybe on Saturday.

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Post #43 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:11 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 0 X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #44 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:17 am 
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[go]$$cm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . 2 1 X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #45 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:51 am 
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[go]$$cm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I should avoid a fight where black is thick.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have two choices for my move - as played, or as below:


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[go]$$cm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . P . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move looks better, but it leave a lot of aji behind. For example, even if I can handle the fighting after white's diagonal move, the attachment shown is an easy invasion for W.

For example:

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[go]$$cm41
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obviously there are lots of variations possible here, but W invades easliy in everything I read out.



In contrast, my move is good aji. There is also some tewari backing it up:

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[go]$$cm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . 6 5 X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 8 7 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 9 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Suppose W had started at 2 rather than 38 in the games. B 3 is sensible in reply, then W 4is eccentric. B 5 may not be best, but it's not disastrous and so overall it should be playable for B.

For 39/41, I had a range of choices. For example, this line may be possible for 41:


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[go]$$cm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . 8. . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This may be OK for me, but I prefer to cut whenever it's possible to.

W has a lot of choices for his next move. One of my key ideas is the N17 invasion if W over-extends.

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[go]$$cm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 8 . . 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just expanding the top side moyo. I should be aware of black thickness, never know how much extra points he can make from.

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Post #48 Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:07 am 
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[go]$$cm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . a . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 8 . . 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . 9 . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now feels llike the time to invade - in some variations, 48 ends up on a silly point. There are numersou variations following the invasion.


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . . 3 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . 2 . 1 . 4 . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is one possibility. I can live easilly after this for example:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . 3 X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . 2 O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I expect this answer:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . . . 1 2 . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


at which point I have a couple of choices.

I am slightly concrened about my LHS, where W can easliy invade which will activate the cut. But the move I played is more urgent than that area.

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White 48 looks very strange to me, I would never even consider that move.

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[go]$$cm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . 0 . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think, that deep invasion just helps me.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



As planned. In addition to the type of lines I showed earlier, it may be possible for W to give up to corner to get big thickness e.g.

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[go]$$cm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 7 9 . 3 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . 0 O 5 X 2 . . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . 6 4 . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . O O X X O . 1 O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . O O . O 2 3 . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At this point, W has given a lot a way so I don't really expect him to play a line this soft. W now needs a lot to happen on the LHS. However,

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[go]$$cm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . O O X X O . 1 O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . O O . O 2 3 . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am happy with something like this - the cut has diappeared, and I should live OK with the ponnuki. So

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[go]$$cm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . O O X X O . 1 O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . O O . O 2 3 . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . 7 . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 4 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if W cuts immediately, I may just abandon the three stones, although I'll read deeper if we reach something like this.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 7 . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am expecting something along the lines of:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . 5 X X 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . 2 . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am alive, and I have a little aji to aim at - W is not totally alive in the corner, and there are some cuts for me later. W will now probably doe something on the LHS, but I can't see anything devastating for him there. The aji I have against the W corner should help if fighting breaks out.

There were a number of alternatives for my previous move. For example,

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . 3 2 5 O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . 1 7 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the jump looks prmising, but being cut like may be painful for me.

To avoid this, I could consider nobi:


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , . . 1 . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . 2 . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But W 2 works quite well, and I couldn't find a good continuation from here. (Although I may be ble to cut, and it's difficult to read out.) So I like the move I played.

There were a number of choices for W for his preivous move, but I couldn't find anything particualarly good for W. For example:


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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 9 X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . 8 O 3 X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . , 7 6 . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W would have collapsed if he fought too hard.

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[go]$$cm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . 8 . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . X X 9 . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O . . . O . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . . . O , O . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O X O X O . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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