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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If it was worth pushing once here, it was worth pushing again. I'm betting that Kirby will jump here to connect his groups. Again, him jumping will take away a big chunk of my top, but I'll get a tenuki, at least. Then I'll just have to choose where.


Edit: forgot to put my move.

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Last edited by Chew Terr on Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:17 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He'll probably tenuki...

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #43 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . X . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Okay, I'll protect SOME points here, because him jumping into the corner would be so painful. This fixes any aji around E16 and seems to make N18 pretty sente. I'll look at hurting his group after though, as I can't attack it until I've cut off his escape.


Edit: Sorry, I think I fixed it again! Clearly , I got confused. Take your time on posting and enjoy your trip! I should probably slow down and think about moves longer anyways.

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Last edited by Chew Terr on Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #44 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:05 pm 
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I think your diagrams are swapped.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #45 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:03 am 
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Going to be out for a bit, because we're going to Europe tomorrow. I'm sure they have Internet access there, though, so I should be available.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #46 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:18 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I guess he gave me sente :-p

I will strengthen my group, while building pressure on the left.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #47 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:21 am 
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Is this alive?? i think black is dead....
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #48 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:50 am 
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Offline Kirby
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Post #49 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:51 am 
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If there is a comment from Magicwand on this game, probably either me or Chew Terr made a mistake... I was the last person to play, though, so that makes me concerned...

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #50 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Let's look at the health of his top group.

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[go]$$Bcm1 If he defends this way, it looks dead
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 5 . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X 1 . 3 X X 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 However, this way seems to live fine
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X 1 . , X X 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


When it comes down to it though, even if I was certain I could kill the top, I'm not sure it would be worth the danger of tenuki-ing from the bottom left. I've been wanting to either cut his connection or jump out for a while now. He protected his connection, so I'll jump. His group still isn't alive on its own, so he can't attach as harshly as he might like.

Actually, I can't jump. Well, I could, but black would kill my two stones with the tesuji at E11. The question, then, is whether it's worth saving those stones. It represents one eye for Kirby, which would essentially stabilize his group. On the other hand, if I defend it, he can jump downwards, pressuring my group and gaining more thickness and security for himself. So I think I cannot afford to defend those stones now, and must jump.

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[go]$$Bcm1 A failed attempt to connect in sente
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 W O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O 5 O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 1 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 I can't jump two spaces to here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O 8 X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 3 1 9 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X 5 O 2 . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sadly, I think the move I chose is the best I have.

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Post #51 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:07 am 
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Live fine? No it doesn't:

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[go]$$Bcm1 However, this way seems to live fine
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . b . a 3 . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X 1 4 5 X X 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"a" and "b" miai?
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Offline Kirby
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Post #52 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:11 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O O O O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I figured out the reason so many people are commenting - unless I've missed something bigger. I made a mistake at the top.

I'm not doing so well this game, either. Maybe I really am Malkovich 17k :)

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Offline Violence
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Post #53 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:11 am 
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*scratches head* Kirby needs to work on his L&D... who reads the push first in this shape? It's usually a bad exchange and helps black live.

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Post #54 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:19 am 
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man..kerby uses hidden comment to get hints.
is that considered cheating?? :)

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Post #55 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



A few thoughts. First, I don't think the tesuji at T11 works after all, if I play F12 in response instead of atari. Second, I realized that if I wanted to attack the top, the correct point was H18, though now I believe it's too late. These two things are what I get for not taking long enough.

Okay, here is my plan now. I'm going to peep at J14 to increase my thickness in sente. Then I'm considering jumping my center group again or approaching the top right from below. The latter seems huge and in sente, I just want to be careful with my center group.

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Post #56 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm, still a lot of comments. Since I made a mistake on the top, I feel like I'm probably missing a lot of other things, too.

There is probably something obvious that I am missing.

I guess getting attacked here is bad enough for me...

For now, I'll just answer his peep.

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 Post subject: Re: 40. Chew Terr (6k) vs. Kirby (1d)
Post #57 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:33 am 
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Uhh... Terr?

Tesuji at T11? Wha?

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[go]$$Bcm1 T...11?
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Magicwand:

I think comments make Kirby nervous.

Maybe we should post them less...

Nah. Post more!
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Offline k43r
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Post #58 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:53 am 
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post to make kirby even more uncomfortable ^^
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Post #59 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:00 am 
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Yeah, I'm bad at words. Jokes about T11 being the secret awesome winning move aside, I meant the trick at E11, which is very close to one that's in the book Tesuji. This is what I was concerned of:

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[go]$$Bcm1 In my head, I was seeing 2 as black, and thought it was connect-and-die.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, I'm an idiot sometimes =D


Okay, I think I should probably take a bit of a break from this, so my reading can have a rest. I don't want to let myself get intimidated into seeing false threats.

Going to have to contemplate to see the right direction of play here. Finally, I get to attack a bit.

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Post #60 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . O . X . . . X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X X O O O . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, I kept going back and forth between this and a big extension/approach up the right side. The two work together, because they cut out places black can run. This move strengthens my group and weakens black's, while the extension reduces some options but starts to make shapes that can make points. However, if I don't jump here, I think black has too many ways to lean on my group. I think I get this jump in sente because he has to respond, then I can take my extension and start (hopefully) cashing in on this attack. The extension will also give me more of a target of somewhere to run.


Sorry for the delay. Didn't want to rush into any bad decisions! This game is hard enough without huge mistakes =D

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