magicwand versus drmwc

Joaz Banbeck · **#181**

@Drmcw + observers:

Magicwand · **#182**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think it is correct time for this probe.
i think he has to answer a and b. later if it is thick he might answer c.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . b a . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . c X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think below "a" is enough for me on top

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . a . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#183**

@ Joaz

The prisoners wre included in my count. For example, in the centre, I have captured at the point marked a. This is a base value of 12 points. If W plays the makred stone below, I won't get much more than 12 point. However, if B gets the marked stone, I will get an extra 10 points or so given that the moves mared b are mt sente.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . b . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X a a X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . W . X a a X a X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . B . O X X a X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . b . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Other big moves are shown below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , 6 7 . . . , 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . 8 9 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . B . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . 4 O X 5 . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O X 2 1 O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . B . . B O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My worst case count assumed that W got all these moves. In practice, that's not going to happen and so 20 points is more than enough for me. Hence I don't need anything fancy to win, and so my move is....

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#184**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#185**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . 3 . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's not clear to me what MW will do after this move. He may pull his stone out of atari, which gives me 2 choices:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 7 . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X 6 O 4 1 5 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 2 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X 3 X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The first choice for me is relatively calm. I get around 35 points a t the top, so by my earlier count I am a long way ahead. The second choice for me is at move 5:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X 5 O 4 1 6 8 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 2 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X 3 X 7 . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X a X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I go on the attack. I am very thick, so this look like it may be unpleasant for W. I may actually be able to turn it into a double attack by playing at a, when W's other central group may also become ocularly challenged.

Given this, MW may well not save the single stone. for example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . 3 . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X 2 O . 1 . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X . O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This gives the same result as the first diagram. Although I may leave 3 for later and play at the marked point, which is a very big move.

Magicwand · **#186**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . 2 . 3 . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#187**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#188**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X 8 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joaz Banbeck · **#189**

The Intrepid · **#190**

Redundant · **#191**

The Intrepid wrote:

Bantari · **#192**

Uberdude · **#193**

The Intrepid wrote:

What about Q13--is it worse, approximately equivalent, or better than R13?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Probably worse. Just doing some simple reading to common corner shapes I learnt from sensei's library when I was 10 kyu:

Ko.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X 4 . 9 | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X 2 8 | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . 3 7 . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Dead:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X 6 . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O 9 . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . 4 X 2 . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . 5 3 . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#194**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . 1 O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X 8 2 6 3 7 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X 4 O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X 5 X . . . . . 9 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#195**

Joaz Banbeck · **#196**

Magicwand wrote:

G17

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm111 B has captured 8; W has captured 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X W . . . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

drmwc · **#197**

A long conditional sequence:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 2 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 1 8 . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O 4 O X 0 . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . 3 O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · **#198**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Joaz Banbeck · **#199**

drmwc · **#200**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm131 B has captured 8; W has captured 3 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . 4 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O 2 O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

By my counting, this is a big move. Suppose I play somehting else. then this may happen:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O . X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X . . 9 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . 8 7 4 . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X . 0 3 6 5 X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . . X . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , g . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . . . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . X . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't have any very good defence against W 2. B 3 looks good, but W can cut off the stone as above. Following this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bm11 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . O e X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O O O . . X . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O O O X O . , O X . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . X O X O O O X X d c X . X . . | $$ | . . . . . X X O X O O X . O X O . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . O X X X 1 O X O X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . O O . . a X 2 O . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X X O . O O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . , X X . . X O O . O O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . X . X X O X O . O . . . | $$ | . . 3 . O X X . X . . O . X X . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X O X X . X . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . . O , X O X X O O O X . | $$ | . . O X . X . . . . . O X X X X X . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . 1 . . . O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B protects against a cut with 11, an will then tenuki. W has create a gote move at a for later worth 5 or 6 points. W has reduced the black side by around 15 points (allowing for W c and d later and taking into account the W prisoner). Hence the move is worth around 18 points. It may be bigger than this if it activates a peep at g for later.

I believe this is bigger than any other endgame move. Not that a play at e is realtively small - it's around 9 or 10 points in gote.

It's becoming more possible to count accurately.

B has around 45 points top right; around 20 lower right; around 10 lower left; and a minimum of 12 in the centre. This gives a total of 87. and there is potential to expand if I get a reasonable share of the big yose.

W's lower group is at most 30 points if W gets all the yose. Top left is at most 30 points (if W captures the two stones).Centre is around 10 points. Total: 70 points plus komi. I lead by at least 10 points, and probably more.

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