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 Post subject: #216 Quietimes vs BGrieco
Post #1 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:17 am 
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QT vs BG. No books, no data base. Ideally one move every 1-2 days. I will take black, no handi.

My first time with Malkovich. Absolutely genius idea.

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Nothing fancy out of the gate. Conservative


Thank you for the game.

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Post #2 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 2:54 pm 
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Ok, I accept the challenge.

Ganbatte ! (Good luck)

Since I beleive to be a little bit stronger than QT, I give him 0.5 point komi in case of a draw.

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BTW, "Thanks for the game" is normally used after the game is finished :razz:

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Post #3 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:39 pm 
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Again, simply choose to be conservative


Indeed. However, if you hadn't accepted (or implied), there wouldn't be a game at all to be thankful for.

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Post #4 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:44 pm 
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Space... The final frontier... That's what an opening looks like.

So, now I'm dealing with an opponent that is, in theory weaker, than I am.
I am not confident though. I'm actually a little frightened.
I'm used to play against stronger opponents with a 9h. One thing about playing stronger opponents is that there is no shame on loosing. You are bound to loose. So playing a weaker one puts a sort of pressure over me.

Black knows I'm stronger, he chose a very sturdy opening.
I'll try a Chinese opening against him.
I think it's a very interesting formation and I want to study it more.

I don't know if I should have done it over the top side though.

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Post #5 Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 7:58 pm 
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This is superior no? I don't like the Chinese overly here given what quietimes has in the bottom right and his good extension up the right side.

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Post #6 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:12 am 
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This is superior no? I don't like the Chinese overly here given what quietimes has in the bottom right and his good extension up the right side.

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No. I don't like the idea to make the Chinese on the other side. It puts even more emphasis on developing the right side (for both players) where black is going to get the first move there. I'd consider moves like 'a' or 'b' to deny black an approach + expansion, alternatively, instead of :w6:, white could play 'c' or one space to the left to develop along the right side.

Though, everything is very good for both sides with the actual move. It's just a more unusual idea.

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Post #7 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:19 am 
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This is superior no? I don't like the Chinese overly here given what quietimes has in the bottom right and his good extension up the right side.

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No. I don't like the idea to make the Chinese on the other side. It puts even more emphasis on developing the right side (for both players) where black is going to get the first move there. I'd consider moves like 'a' or 'b' to deny black an approach + expansion, alternatively, instead of :w6:, white could play 'c' or one space to the left to develop along the right side.

Though, everything is very good for both sides with the actual move. It's just a more unusual idea.


Your diagram was what I meant by not liking the Chinese here, sorry I was unclear. I felt that the top right was the corner to play in after Black completed the shimari.

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Boidhre,
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This is superior no?
Yes, in general, an empty corner is considered bigger for :b3:, but :b3: is also a good move. No problem. :)
And yes, I would also play :w4: at the (a/b) corner.

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Boidhre,
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This is superior no?
Yes, in general, an empty corner is considered bigger for :b3:, but :b3: is also a good move. No problem. :)
And yes, I would also play :w4: at the (a/b) corner.


So a few questions:

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So my problem with :b3: here is that a and b are not miai for black. Black is guaranteed a solid corner and no 3-4 approach moves with :w4: complicating things so I think I understand the attraction of it but because of the unequal value of the sides now for Black after :b3: I don't like it.


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So the game situation, this is turning it into a standard Orthodox/Rotated Komuku fuseki for Black. I don't think I'd play this way but I can understand it if one prefers to play against a known fuseki. What troubles me here is that I don't really understand playing the Chinese here for White, presumably here Black takes the top right corner with either a 4,4 or 3,4 move. I particularly don't like completing the Chinese here for White:

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a gives Black two solid corners which is unpleasant for White to play against usually. b gives makes the right side very big for Black to play in, though it has a strong weakness. However there are problems here because either gives a nice extension for white along the top. c, a standard anti-Chinese move here is not nice for White because it is threatening a modified Kobayashi with an enclosure instead of a hoshi stone in the bottom right (I've no idea if this is a good or bad thing) if White doesn't pincer which is the usual response with the Chinese but here White doesn't have a great approach on the bottom and to extend on the bottom and not approach the top right here would not be best I think. If White pincers, Black takes the corner and White has to approach the top right I think.

Lack of sleep + little recent play = too many questions and possibly much nonsense. :)

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Post #10 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:47 am 
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If you don't like :b3:, then my favorite solution(I think the pro solution), is to make a diagonal fuseki where black will have a harder time taking his first move advantage into 6.5 komi. So :w2: is an issue - if this enclosure makes you uncomfortable.

To your main point, I'd say that if black takes another 3-4 point, white should indeed abandon his idea for a Chinese-fuseki experiment, giving black two solid enclosures is bit too comfortable.

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If you don't like :b3:, then my favorite solution(I think the pro solution), is to make a diagonal fuseki where black will have a harder time taking his first move advantage into 6.5 komi. So :w2: is an issue - if this enclosure makes you uncomfortable.

To your main point, I'd say that if black takes another 3-4 point, white should indeed abandon his idea for a Chinese-fuseki experiment, giving black two solid enclosures is bit too comfortable.


Sorry, again I was unclear it seems, I meant I didn't like it for Black compared to taking a second corner with :b3:. I'd be quite happy to play white from :b3: here.

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Post #12 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:13 am 
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no surprises here. Thought about a 3-3 however didn't feel like there was a big need to ramp up aggressiveness


The volume of hide comments is paranoia inducing. :D


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Post #13 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:59 pm 
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The volume of hide comments is paranoia inducing. :D


I agree. What have we made so far that generated that ?? :shock:

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Post #14 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:37 pm 
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So white has a loose claim on the left side. I don't see any urgency to rush in and invade while there is still free areas on my side. 3rd or 4th line. Simply feeling optimistic that I can play the fourth and deal with any invasion attempt. Solidify my side and move next to the upper right corner and then ponder invasion

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Post #15 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Now I feel like messing with them. :D

So far the game seems absolutely fine at around 12k level and maybe stronger. And these players are 20k-16k. So whatever theory they lack will not influence the outcome too much. After all, it's not like one can take advantage like a dan player would.

What bothers me about this game is the reliance on patterns and general assumptions made about moves that are very, very vague. At this level players should place stones on the board with general knowledge like "corners are easiest to make territory", "stay connected", "capture, don't get captured". 'Experimenting' with a low chinese opening is just not what will get them stronger the fastest.

Granted, my first 50 or so games looked like hell, but now that I sit atop my high SDK pedestal (cue laughter), I realize every terrible move and every questionable decision I've made, and those I continue to make, are absolutely necessary to gaining competence. :mrgreen:

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Ok, part 1 of plan : Chinese Opening SET. Now what ???
yes, guys, I'm 16k, as that girl from Avatar would say : Just a baby....
His right side is very strong now, much stronger than my left.

:w8: is supposed to :
1) watch his answer to an attack, I believe he will pincer with N17. But I want to reduce his right side. so I'll try to do something at P15 later on..
If he closes himself instead, I'll extend on the top side.

He seems very cautious. He also seems to know what he is doing better than I thought. He looks better than the 16k KGSs I've encountered.

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Why can't we be civil? So plan here is to split the corner and then go do something mean and spiteful in the NW corner. :rambo:

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Interesting reply, I'll make myself stronger before attacking more.
Gosh, I believe that was stupid of my part.
What the heck do I have in mind.

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Post #19 Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:24 pm 
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Ok, part 1 of plan : Chinese Opening SET. Now what ???
yes, guys, I'm 16k, as that girl from Avatar would say : Just a baby....
His right side is very strong now, much stronger than my left.

:w8: is supposed to :
1) watch his answer to an attack, I believe he will pincer with N17. But I want to reduce his right side. so I'll try to do something at P15 later on..
If he closes himself instead, I'll extend on the top side.

He seems very cautious. He also seems to know what he is doing better than I thought. He looks better than the 16k KGSs I've encountered.


So, referring back to the comment by Phoenix, I think the issue here is that white has played the chinese opening because it is the chinese opening, and not because white has a plan to use it. If it has a name, it must be good, right?

More seriously, I'd advise beginners that if you want to play a named opening or something that's fine, but you need to have an idea of what you want to do with it. This can be very simple like 'I want to make a big moyo' or 'I want to invite black to approach here and then fight' or even 'I want to play flexibly and see what my opponent does'. Openings like the chinese opening have a lot of theory and history behind them in terms of what is good as a follow up and what isn't, and what each sides strategy should be. You don't need that to try the position, but you do need A strategy.

That said, I think bgreico's move is pretty good. It prevents a shimari, and is coming from the right direction to create a moyo if black doesn't pincer, and to keep black's right side in check if black does.

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Not a direction I would choose this game to go so early. Oh well. So with this little weak move of mine, I would assume he is going to hane 9 and try to encroach/reduce my left side. I hope to extend @ 9 if this is the case and then peek at O16. Ulitmately sacrificing a lot to end this corner and tenuki out, likley at K4

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