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 Post subject: Re: #220 shinkenjoe(4k) vs lesenv(10k) 5H
Post #21 Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:49 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 6 5 . . |
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only move. He will try to seal me in, maybe im forced once more. The question is, if i should tenuki or make a base for three?

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:15 am 
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EdLee wrote:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X y . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . x 5 . . |
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For :b6:, B has two options to block : block at (x), or block at (y).
Each one is not a cut; each is a block.


Given that white can connect to both stones with one move on the 2-2 point, I think it's arguable that black is cutting.


Usually cut is used when you're separating two stones/groups that are in contact.

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:18 am 
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X y . . |
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
For :b6:, B has two options to block : block at (x), or block at (y).
Each one is not a cut; each is a block.


Given that white can connect to both stones with one move on the 2-2 point, I think it's arguable that black is cutting.


Usually cut is used when you're separating two stones/groups that are in contact.

I always took it to be separating two stones or groups that had the ability to be in contact with a strengthening move. In this case, black does block white from one side or the other, but in doing so, black also cuts off one of the white approach stones.


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Post #24 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:58 am 
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I always took it to be separating two stones or groups that had the ability to be in contact with a strengthening move. In this case, black does block white from one side or the other, but in doing so, black also cuts off one of the white approach stones.


I've generally seen split or separate used to describe such a move. *shrugs*

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 Post subject: Re: #220 shinkenjoe(4k) vs lesenv(10k) 5H
Post #26 Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Option A: the descent
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 Option A: the descent
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 1 7 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O 6 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this looks good, but what if white connects?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Option A: i'm easily cut
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . 0 b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 9 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 8 X . W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 3 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hm, white gets either a or b while i get to choose. i don't know...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Option A: doesn't work either
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 6 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 X . W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 3 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . 1 . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 Option A: a running fight
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 7 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . X . W . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 3 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

in the descent-option i like most the running fight

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[go]$$Wcm1 Option B: pressure the bottom
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 Option B: pressure the bottom
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 1 B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 2 3 W O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 4 5 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i like this, but that's not too probable

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[go]$$Bcm1 Option B: pressure the bottom
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , 8 1 B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 W O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 5 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i like this too.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Option B: pressure the bottom
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , 3 1 B . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 W O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Here I don't know, but i kind of like it. while i have influence with the tengen, white has two weak(?) groups. i don't know whether i can profit from these groups...or s the influence already the profit??? :-?
But option B looks better than A to my eyes.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Option C: pressure the right
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Option C: ok, white has to respond locally
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 6 5 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

uh-oh
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[go]$$Wcm1 Option C: aargh
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 6 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hmm, i think the bottom-option was best.
what about another pincer?
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[go]$$Bcm8 Prisoner:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 2 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

YEAH!! I'm getting tired of searching for better options.
This looks good, but what if he does something completely different? then I'll learn something new. hopefully :roll:

in hindsight i knew that the right side or the bottom side would suffer for white when i blocked at q3. I just wanted to look if there's something else. apparently the obvious move is the right move.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #27 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:32 pm 
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should tenuki more. He will pincer again. Then i have to tenuki.

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( For beginners. ) B can consider killing :wc: completely with :b1: --
it's a big move, fixing all the aji there. If W double approaches :bc:, B can easily take care of it.
Next, (a) also becomes a big move.
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . B . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . 1 . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . W . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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( For beginners. ) For the LR corner, if W plays :w1:, B has to be careful.
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[go]$$W
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$$ X . . O . X O . . |
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If B plays the tiger's mouth :b2:, W can then connect back to :wc: with :w3: :
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[go]$$W
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$$ X . . W . X O . . |
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$$--------------------[/go]
Instead, if B connects directly with :b2:, then if W :w3:, B can block with :b4: :
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$$ . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . X 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . 2 X O . . |
$$ X . . O . X O . . |
$$ . . . . 4 3 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i almost backed off, but then this seems lacking of fighting-spirit.
i didn't use the same pincer and usually i'll pincer with the one-space-pincer.

@EdLee
thank you for contributing! i can't wait to read all those hidden broken shapes that i missed...

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Sorry for the delay, first i missed your move, then i got lazy.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually i dont know where to tenuki.
He kind of always pincers, so if I tenuki to the south, my approach on the other corner gets bad, and if I approach top , his first pincer gets strengthened

So same old, this time with high approach cause I dont like the low situation at the bottom.

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$$ | . . . . . 2 7 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . 5 6 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think it goes this way.

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:31 pm 
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I'm kind of tired, but i want to say something to put me under pressure to make a move soon.
Locally I see instantly the two options a and b.
I don't really know if E17 is a serious candidate? hm, i'll sleep over it and see tomorrow (or monday).
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$$ | . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had some diagrama, but when i clicked on submit, my connection lost me. :grumpy:
In summary a and b are equally good options. i just choose a. That's all.
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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . a . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 2 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . O 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 2 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

only move: disconnect and cut!

what i foresee:
actually at every move are several possibilities how this goes, this is hard to predict.
but the first move ( :b14: ) is THE right move.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 6 O 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 1 2 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 7 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 X . 1 2 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Variation 1': easy trade, good fo black as he gets sente, hopefully not played.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . 1 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



What i think will happen:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 4 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X O . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 6 3 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a O . 8 b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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Then press on a and b, then a far high approach on c, far that he doesnt pincer again. Im rlly tied of all this pincering. Mayb i Should not have double approached so much, but bette jumped out. The way I played he gets secure goups too easily.

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 Post subject: Re: #220 shinkenjoe(4k) vs lesenv(10k) 5H
Post #37 Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:52 am 
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Seems strange for white to anticipate a complicated mistake rather than simple joseki.

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Post #38 Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:32 am 
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i stay connected and disconnect white (create a broken shape for white)

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Post #39 Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:21 am 
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[go]$$Wcm17 Prisoner:
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With the sente he can quite destroy me bottom, so i would like to fix that in sente (destroying aji), but i think my play is bigger than if i can push through my connect at bottom, so it would be good for him ignoring the 1 proposed below, just answering at b


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Post #40 Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:56 am 
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if he tries to break the ladder in such a way i have a good response: either :w3: or :w5: will be captured
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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