I'll probe to see what he wants to do with his 3-3.
Depending on this I can see what to do with the rest of the board.

What do you mean?
In general, in the opening, for an open board like this, from the bigger to the smaller:
- empty corner
- complete a shimari; or approach an incomplete shimari
- approach a corner star point
(a) is bigger than (b). (Again, like the 2 opening boards you posted Here, at these levels, it doesn't matter so much.)

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To simplify, the UL corner is already "taken"; (a) is bigger than (b):

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not in the mood to write a lot atm.. and not enough time. I just wanted to play the move so he can think about his next move. if you guys are interested in why I played this move just ask, I can provide an explanation later on. cheers

Keep my shape ok, this has the potential to work well with the hoshi stone.

this is what I am looking forward to:

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I really want to know what his response will be. as far as I know my play is not an overplay, so I will not be punished severely. and still, I dont want to capture any of his groups or even attack them. sometimes it is enough if he thinks I want to (aka pressure lol)

White wants teritory, thats fine. I'll make a light group in the center.
If he plays out the normal joseki here then i get to attack the white group in sente.
He'll probably have to go for something non-joseki to make this board better for white.
The problem is that white does not want to get surrounded in the bottom right and also has to do something with the stone on the left which I tenuki'd from. (otherwise he is not punishing my tenuki)
Lets see which move he chooses.

this is normal joseki:

However I think this is quite good for black. reasons are:
1) my press-down move at a won't work that well anymore since kind of destroys the potential of any moyo I can build up after a
2) b seems more urgent now since he can enclose the right side much better with his last move. It feels like I have to do something there. But I will resist and play on the bottom left at first

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I think sometimes you have to play your own game and may not react to feelings you got forced to by your opponents play; like "I have to approach top right now".I feel this just clouds your mind. and you are always weaker when you are not playing your own game but only react to what your opponent does. since I am confident in my game, I will go with that.

I will play this:

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The exchange is maybe not very good for white, locally. it might be considered a bad move. however he can get a move in sente at the 2nd line at f. with that move, when I ignore it, he can play a squeeze move and I would lose a lot of points in the corner. I feel like my exchange is worth it.

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now, I will show you another reason why the exchange is good in my opinion.

I feel like things will go this way:
and now I will not have the problem I pointed out above. with the cut, he won't be able to play a squeeze sequence, so I am better off. the value of is big too, but as I said I think it will be worth it.

now in this variation, is one step closer to my approach of his komoku in the bottom left corner. I have to think about this

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which white move on the bottom works best? I feel like it's the triangled one.

so this is why I want to play the exchange first. and then I will threaten to connect and I think he will try to stop me fom connecting. this is what I will do, as shown.

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This kind of situation is exactly why I felt the right side was bigger. It is going to be very difficult for either side to develop the bottom from their initial corner moves. White's plan is interesting and could work, but Black, on the other hand, is getting a decent position on the right without needing to put in any effort. An enclosure at 'a' would give him a 5-space extension to the previous move. Another move here could be 'b' to bring down his 4th line stone and create a 5-space extension going the other way. The only issue for building the right is that he is undercut by white already, but as long as he comes away with sente from this situation on the bottom black should be in a good spot.

Black will likely play 'c' next because the hane by white here would make developing the bottom both possible and easy, even if that move seems a bit slow. I worry about the cut if he plays 'd' instead.

This seems to be a game of tenuki so lets tenuki.
Why ? Not just because it is fun and we can but because this move leaves a lot of big moves for black on the board.
If white decides to hane at the head of two stones which I think is a good move, then I will pincer the aproaching bottom left stone.
If he does not, I can start to build my framework on the top probably.

I want to note that I thought about the keima from the two stones for a long time but in the end I considered it too slow.
That group requires a lot of stones to be really harassed. Otherwise white will end up capturing two stones while I get a lot bigger moves.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in my opinion this is his weakest move up until now. his move.. what does it do.. it destroys my plans to build up the left side. but what else? I dont have to force to get to the pos I want to be in. you always have to be flexible and adapt to the situation. so if he does not want me to have it, so be it - but then I can gain other things since he has to play risky moves or moves that only fulfill one role.

if you play a move that only has one effect, I can try to achieve other things and thus your move will be worth less. its like you destroy something essential of the world we live in - so I just go ahead and establish a new world, and the decision you made is doing nothing anymore. so in the new world, with a new board position, he lost one move.

his move does not really threaten an invade at 'c'. I feel very safe there. maybe he has a technique to take away some points there, or even my base. so I will have a wall facing outside. but that is alright, my group is not in immediate danger right now and if I reply to an attacking move, I will still be fine.

what about a follow-up move at around 'd'? is my stone then in immediate danger? I still feel I can attach underneath his cornerstone at 'e' and I still have the exchange at 'b'. I do not fear that my stone is in immediate danger there aswell.

as to my move, I think the one I play is the best move locally. with the hane, his group kind of gets to an awkward shape. if he blocks, I play like this:

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plus, if I get a move at around a, I get a double-purpose move.
however he could play at the right after my move. then I can think about a move on lower left or top right. ez pz.

Yeah thats what I expected him to do, lets play the severest pincer for this situation.
Normaly white could jump out but in this case the fight that follows does not seem favorable for white.
C7 can lean on the top group also to put more pressure.
Also attaching underneath is bad because white will get a floating group.
Of course I'm also putting a bit of risk on the table. Because if I ever get a running group on the right then I can forget any moyo.

Let's see what he wants.

I'm very worried for black at this point.

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White's hane has not only helped him to get something on the bottom when his 3-3 could have been sealed in the corner, but it also has severely damaged black's group on the right. If white extends one more he can capture black's two stones in one move, so two stones that could have built black some influence toward the center have simply become a burden that black likely isn't going to want to save anyway.

White's lone stone does look a bit troubled, but it has options to escape and any influence black gets toward the center or bottom is already limited by white's hane.

For white, a-c all are reasonable to get his stone out.

I also think that 'd' could be an interesting move. However, do fear that black killing white's stone is possible and would be a huge gain.

Also, the area around 'e' is starting to look very big for both sides now.

'f' could be an option if white wanted to try to live small locally. But I think it could work. I see this sequence playing out. However, black would almost certainly come away with sente and a move like 'a' afterwards would be fantastic for black. However, his group on the left then starts looking a bit lacking in eye space.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . 7 X , O . . 1 . , . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 4 . 5 . . . . a . . . O O O . . |
$$ | 8 6 . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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If white can read things out correctly and know he will live then he could actually play 'd' from the first diagram and treat escape and life as miai in exchange for a good position on the bottom.

we are being stubborn, kinda.. I don't like those games. up until now everything was pvery peaceful and played out with much respect. I feel like it's kind of weird if both players ignore their moves and play some other stuff regardless of what your opponent is doing.

so actually his next move is.. it does destroy my plans, that is true, and it attacks my stone in the corner. it seems like he wants to capture it, but I do not tihnk he will be able to. I have some sabaki moves and also see variations where I live in the corner. as for now, I will just 2-space jump out and see what he does. it's really a lot to read so I won't cover the variations I had in mind. Let's just see what he does.

I will have to wait for the right timing to play Q9

I'll lean and split the two groups at the same time.
The bad thing is that I'm removing the invasion aji;but I think the aji was not that big since black has part of the left anyway.

for real..? he reaaallly wants to fight. why does he want to fight so hard though? it seems so forced. anyway.. I have been reading quite a while and there are maany many variations I got through but none of the moves I had in mind were too convincing for me. he wants to fight, so you fight him, right? thats what I thought at first. but what if I just dodged his fight and played my game? I found a move which seemed to fit with thoughts.

my plan is to give him something so hes content but actually make it small. and I will gain something in return without having to fight and play his game. I am confident that sooner or later he either will crumble or I will be leading. I think that if you play with bad shapes and not very flexible, it is going to be exploitable by your opponent. sooner or later. his keima seems to be such a bad-move shapewise because it has so many problems - but I can see he wants to attack both of my groups. I will just dodge his attack and exploit the weaknesses of his shape later on.

if he gets something, I am fine with it, because I will make sure I will get something in return.

Does he dare to block?

I did not anticipate this move, seems like he wants to fix the left in sente. What about the lower though ?
I cannot get my shape broken, so lets fix it while making white stones weaker.