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Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:46 am ] |
Post subject: | 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Hi Kie, enjoy the game as much as me ![]()
Yeah ! My first spoiler on L19²GO ![]() In this game there will be a 20 points reverse komi as Kie is a lot better than me ![]() |
Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Have a nice one, hmm, let's see...
I usually play D16 to counter kobayashi and chinese openings, but in this game I will see if he plays the mini-chinese and then I will try to start some confused fighting in order to create many possibilities for my opponent to make mistakes. The game is 20 points reverse komi so no time to relax. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
As told I will try to play my favorite opening, the chinese opening, as I have been playing it for 3/4 months. So can't give an advice on why this or why that, it's just that I like it ![]() |
Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
So, no mini-chinese, this means that I will try to make the situation a little less standard by not playing a 4.4 right now, the reason is that normal openings are often studied so in a reverse-komi game playing along with the kobayashi opening or similar for 30-40 moves is not very interesting. This way I hope to be able to create some complications.
If black enters at (a) or (B) now I can either attack and create fighting from the start or press down and create thickness for fighting later on. If black tenuki, I can enclose the corner later and make good profit. So the strategy should be ok. If black approaches at (c) I will pincer to avoid the kobayashi and keep black from simplifying the game too much. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Ok so white played mokuhazushi (3-5 point) and I haven't faced it a lot... So I won't change my opening (and I think it's not a bad one) for this. I know that the 3-5 point is usually played to stress the upper side, but allow to switch for corner easily. I think white is waiting for me to jump now in this corner but I'll resist |
Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
The Chinese opening is quite rare in this position, but probably not bad. I will approach aggressively to keep in line with my strategy in hoping to induce an early fight. Since black want to keep things simple, the following variations are what I predict he will play: (Black pincer at (3) is possible but leads to complicated variations, I would welcome such a move).
Almost like the previous, but black has settled more of the board and reduced the aji, white is thicker now, it's a matter of preference. Some rejected variations:
Black is developing nicely and without complications. In even game I would be happy to play this, but not now.
This is calm move, black has many follow-ups but it's not hard to keep the game simple. Just splitting the side with (a) would suffice for black. Instead of (1), (b) or (c) are some alternatives. However, none of them are very aggressive.
This is also a bit lacklustre, the low white position doesn't offer much in fighting power or do much to complicate the game. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
White approach is one I see a lot nowadays. Here I have two ways to handle it, secure the corner with x intending to develop the side and let white play y giving him a great influence or the move I played (y), expecting white to play x and then I'll split white with a contact move at a. The issue will be a great battle I hope (oh yes, I love to battle ![]()
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Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Black shows his spirit with the pincer but since this is exactly what I was hoping for, I will face his challenge with a counter-pincer and get the fighting started. I will just wait and see what he answers before doing any serious reading, the possibilities are just too many here. I might add that I am certain that no pro would ever play this move, so now we are in uncharted territory. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Wow... First time I see this ![]() I have to take time to study this ! |
Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Hehe, now none of us can rely on databases or books, so should be good. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Ok so now I'm relying on (hope I remember well :/) my teacher lessons. The descent on the third line has multi purpose, stabilize the blacks stones by getting a chance to make a life base, don't let the right lonely white stone get the beginning of a life base and threatening the x black play
When seeing it on the board, this move feels strange... But hey, let see what happens ![]() Malkovich games are horribles... First I know now that most of my moves are instinct plays and second I really want to see what are my opponent's spoilers ![]() |
Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Black shape is heavy, I will try to lean a little towards it and I hope that (a) and (b) will become miai. Will black choose greed and take points to the right or protect his group and let me settle mine also? His pincer suggest aggression so I expect the greed to prevail.
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Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
The Chinese opening is my least favourite to play against of all openings, I applaud your choice of opening, you really hit the nail on this one ![]() |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Hey Kie, take care, you let some "advice" on your diagram... Or is it a trap ? ![]() Do I choose a or b... or what else ? (no it's not an ad with georges clooney here ![]() |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
I think I can't let white play here as he will make sabaki and put pressure on the lonely right low stone. I think the 2 blacks stones are not in danger (or can be sacrificed because of a, b, c... so I have a lot of possibilities to escape or make a life base.
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Author: | Kie [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Sorry about that, it was a mistake ![]()
Black played as predicted, now time to put the pressure on the black stones. I think simple cap will do, my earlier plan seems a little thin, black can still try to split my stones. perhaps like this:
Like this white probably can manage since black can't stop both moves (at least I hope so). And the black bottom group still weak so result probably ok. |
Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Here is what I hope ![]()
The point of my play is to gamble the 2 blacks stones. Again I think I've got a lot of opportunity (taking the corner, connecting under,...) and white won't get a lot. And there's still a LOT of aji ![]()
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Author: | The Pilgrim [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
Have a good night ^^ Next moves tomorrow ! |
Author: | SpongeBob [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
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Author: | Chew Terr [ Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k) |
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