This seems premature. I suppose this is an advantage of having played the outside stone this close - he can probably live in this corner now. Even if I could kill him, however, I'm not sure I need to. If he lives small in gote I'll have outside influence to invade/reduce the bottom.
Perhaps, however, this is a probe. If so I think it's a good one. I hope my opponent isn't just probing here to see how I respond because that is a technique I always misuse, whereas this seems like a legit probe.
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This seems premature. I suppose this is an advantage of having played the outside stone this close - he can probably live in this corner now. Even if I could kill him, however, I'm not sure I need to. If he lives small in gote I'll have outside influence to invade/reduce the bottom.
Perhaps, however, this is a probe. If so I think it's a good one. I hope my opponent isn't just probing here to see how I respond because that is a technique I always misuse, whereas this seems like a legit probe.
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Assuming it's a probe, what do you think it would be probing for? What sorts of followups do you envision for white given black's different possible responses, and for that matter, what other responses did you consider?
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@moyoaji
Assuming it's a probe, what do you think it would be probing for? What sorts of followups do you envision for white given black's different possible responses, and for that matter, what other responses did you consider?
The only other move I strongly considered was 'b' - which seems like the best way to try to kill black.
Based on my response at 'a' he could leave his stone there, with the aji of making life or invading at 'a' more successfully. In the mean time, as I have made myself stronger on the outside he can defend bottom side at one of the 'b' moves or invade at 'c'.
Had I done 'b' instead, the aji is different. Maybe white could get something like this? Afterall, 1 is sente and 3 threatens to invade strongly at 4. By playing at 'b' I've declared that I'm going to commit to making sure the probe is dead so playing like this would be consistent. If his goal is to build the bottom then sacing the stone in the corner could be fantastic.
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I think black could intersperse 8 to the right of B. If white saves the stone, black continues as in the diagram, but the ladder works for black so white is cut. If white plays A or at 8 instead, black captures and has a thick center position while white still needs to live. White will have aji around H3 also that black's thickness exposes. Not sure if this is better than the sequence or not.
Guess it wasn't a probe. White just wants to live here right now. My goal is that he does so in gote so I can break up the bottom. If he lets me kill him I'd be willing to take that too.
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Strengthens black. But what does it do for white? Not that much, in my opinion. There's a possibility that it could slightly help if black invaded around the marked area, but the presence of the stone doesn't make a huge difference.
Because the exchange helps black more than white, the move is bad for white.
This being said, it would be a more severe problem if white had the stone here:
Well, it's been awhile since I played in this game, so I'm going to have to try and remember what my mindset was. I'm also probably more than a little rusty so this is likely going to be a disaster! But we'll see. Figure I'll make life here which seems to be what my plan was.
I was quite happy to have hailthorn message me today and inform me he is prepared to resume this game. Hopefully I have improved since last year, but I'd assume he has improved as well.
I hope we can both finish it strong.
This move is one I wasn't planning on playing a year ago. I would have simply played the nobi. However, I think I can get away with this. If white aims for the ponnuki I'll get a large corner and his ponnuki, while strongish, doesn't seem that great. I'm striking a shape point at R9 already.
If he moves to live in the corner, I will strengthen myself by defending the cut at Q6. In the end, he should live in gote, which was my goal a year ago. That seems like a good goal to me today as well.
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Well, did as I expected there. So I played where I was going to so I can get the corner. Not looking exactly fabulous for my bottom side, but it was never going to when I decided to attack.
First, I will take this move. Then I will defend. I suppose I could make the corner go to ko by playing a double hane here, but hailthorn would have too many local threats...
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The marked stone does allow me to play this, but does it kill the corner? As far as I can tell, it sadly does not.
Still, he will only live in gote. Then I need to decide how I want to invade on the bottom side using this wall...
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White descent here is better: if black defends the cut then white can think about tenuki as black can't kill unconditionally: a for b is alive, or b is ko. Black could not defend the cut if there is some particularly good move elsewhere (m3 is ok but rather small) and let white capture one more stone. That's trying to increase r9's efficiency, it's in a bad place now. Maybe r6 should have been r3.
I figure I'll go for this now as it seems pretty alright to my eyes. I figure he'll connect above leaving me to atari . Now the real question is whether or not he'll play S5 but I guess I'll find out!
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Of course black should s5 if white captures the outside stone. If white wants to go for this trade (which seems pretty awful to me, it's a big corner and it makes r9 useful) it would have been much better not to have made the 36-37 exchange as that weakens the lower side, for example this invasion point is now connected instead of cuttable:
I don't get it. Why is white playing this now? It seems foolish to make his sacrifice in the corner even larger if he's just going to give up those stones. Perhaps he can't read out how to live? Maybe he really feels he needs sente? But won't it be hard for his ponnuki on the outside if he doesn't play another move?
We shall see...
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I'm really getting the vibe that maybe this was a bad idea. My reading needs A LOT of work. Doesn't help that I'm rusty, I guess. Actually, I saw this sort of scenario play out on KGS and I realized I was playing something awful. So, hopefully it's not too late to fix this.
Huh. I suppose I should have read this move. It is better for living than the tiger's mouth.
I don't see how I can force sente out of this if I play another move to save my stone at S7 - so I won't try. Obviously, white could take my stone, but I'm not sure that's worth sente. I think I'd get another move if he went for that now.
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I want to finally exploit the weaknesses white left for me on the lower side. I considered playing closer to my wall, but that seemed too small. If I'm going to mount some kind of an attack, it's got to be worth what I gave up in the corner. Playing closer, at 'x' above for example, is not enough.
Another thing to consider is that, with my second line stones, it will be very hard for white to defend anything close to my wall. Such a reduction can come whenever I see fit. An attack is needed now.
It has been a while, but I remember that I can aim for an E3 attachment. White's knight's move doesn't seem as greedy anymore, but it definately leaves aji.
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