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Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Nigiri (number of white stones I chose): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I call odd. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Correct! You go first! Have a good game! ![]() |
Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I'm going to try for opposing komoku.
If white takes the opposite corner, I'll see if he'll give a mini chinese.
If white pincers my approach,
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Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Empty comment, Magicwand-style ![]() |
Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I'm not comfortable with a diagonal fuseki, so I'll play another 3-4 in the upper left. I chose this 3-4 as it doesn't leave him with the chance to get a 4-4 with an ideal approach. Also, I can hopefully get an enclosure in the top right to work well with my stone in the top left. If he approaches with his next move, I'll likely tenuki. I see this coming.
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Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
The facing 4-3 stones were my first instinct, so I'm going with it! I don't know if there's any theory, but it won't make much difference at our level if this is a bit worse than, say, the 4-4! I'm expecting this:
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Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
According to plan. My top stones coordinate well, as both the shimari and my 3-4 have a direction of play along the top. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
as expected! I chose this approach because I saw it in a recording of shygost's public lessons not too long ago ![]() The bottom was different though! Two 4-4s if I remember it correctly! |
Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
He wants a peaceful game, I see. I'll take my corner, he'll take a two space extension, I'll pressure it from my shimari, and he'll defend. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Oh yeah, of course, the obvious move! ^^ I forgot that! He gets the corner and I of course need to make a base on top! That's good, I like that! I don't want to fight against huge moyos ![]() |
Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I'm taking sente profit in front of my shimari. I'll have to see how he defends before I know my next move. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Gotta give my group a bit of safety! I'm expecting this:
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Author: | Redundant [ Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Probe. I want to see which way he'll connect. Either way, this stone is agi. EDIT: fixed diagram. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I think fixing here instead of H17 is better, because it gives me an opportunity to invade his right side territory at N17! I wonder what he'll play next! |
Author: | Redundant [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
My stone there leaves some nasty agi. If I get stronger in the area, I can cut his two space extension. I'm approaching this corner, as the right side is more interesting than the left, due to my shimari being "bigger" than my enclosure on the left. I also considered making a box moyo like this, but it's gote. I'm not very concerned with white splitting my extension on the top. It starts a running fight, but I'll be the one profiting on the right.
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Author: | Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
Trigger:
The right is more important than the bottom, at the moment, so I will use this joseki to grow there! The question is, do I jump to a after the sequence or do I complete my shimari at b? I don't want black to get either point ![]()
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Author: | Redundant [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I always hate this joseki for white. The shape is kind of awkward, and I get a nice settled group. I feel that white should have pincered, as his opposing komoku would then work together. This joseki stifles the direction of play of the lower left. |
Author: | Zwergesel [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
I made my choice: Shimari it is! I can't allow black to approach my lower left stone, because I would want to pincer it, but my pincer is already pre-pincered by ![]()
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Author: | Redundant [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k) |
He left this joseki unfinished. He needed another move to prevent me from getting an attack. This move aims at the cut. I'm not sure if I should have gone one lower for this attack. After this attack, I want to get L15 for the possibility of a box moyo plus a double wing. |
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