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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #261 Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:04 pm 
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You can start planning your response to N6. I'm sure that it will be suggested, and as soon as it is, I will choose it. No other move will do.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #262 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:13 pm 
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Uh...any suggestions? Ohh...I suppose you guys are busy with finals.

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Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #263 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:45 pm 
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I have been a bit busy... I'll post a suggestion by tomorrow morning...

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #264 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:54 am 
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To teammates:

In case you didn't see Joaz' post, he wants us thinking about the following:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 23
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, any followups in mind?
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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #265 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:09 am 
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topazg wrote:

In case you didn't see Joaz' post, he wants us thinking about the following:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 23
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, any followups in mind?


I saw that, but I also saw your thoughts on how to handle it :D

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #266 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:20 am 
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tj86430 wrote:
I saw that, but I also saw your thoughts on how to handle it :D


Hehe, erm, yeah, true :D

On that note, some more comments about our last move to teammates and observers:

Actually, the kosumi could be interesting, and I was tempted with the following:

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[go]$$Wcm22 Move 22
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 3 1 . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 4 X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I think it's just too thin...


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[go]$$Wcm32 Move 32
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 6 O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 O X 1 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 8 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 3 2 X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O O . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . X X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hence instead choosing a one point jump that I thought was not really good enough or the right direction.
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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #267 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:55 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Uh...any suggestions? Ohh...I suppose you guys are busy with finals.

Crap, it's our move? OK, here's my suggestion.

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[go]$$Wcm22 Suggestion for move 23
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't completely understand Joaz's objection to our last move. Pincering the stone on the side seems obvious and straightforward to me; leaning on it seems counterintuitive and runs counter to basic principles. But he's stronger than me, so I have to assume his judgment is better than my own.

The basic principle I'm thinking about is "don't touch weak stones lest you make them strong". Obviously, there are usually exceptions to most rules of thumb, and there are exceptions. Sometimes you touch them because of a specific tactical sequence, or because you can kill them outright. But there are other exceptions, and I don't have a good understanding of them.

But if we're going to make our last move mean anything at all, we have to keep the white group on the bottom separated from the right side, and keep access to the outside. This is the only move I see that does that securely.

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Offline Jedo
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Post #268 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:16 am 
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Yeah, I'm in the middle of finals week, but here's my suggestion. PS, done on tuesday!
I second Fwiffo's suggestion. I can't think of anything else that makes sense. Sorry Joaz!

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Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #269 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:34 pm 
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Slept in... Sorry for the late suggestion....
I like Fwiffo's idea... but here is something different so we have some more choices...
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[go]$$Wcm22 Suggestion for move 23
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . 1 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O 2 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #270 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm22 move 23
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is unanimous.

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Post #271 Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:11 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No explanation needed :D

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Post #272 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:37 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . a . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obviously, we want to move out with this group, ideally while keeping pressure on both sides. TJ, your move has the right general idea, but I don't like leaning on black (and forcing them to press against our right) unless we have to lean for strength. At the moment, we're loose and flexible enough, I think we're better off getting out lightly like this. Either move would be okay, but I think this is a little better. The diagonal at 'a' is also fine, but it seems to put a bit less pressure/is less urgent for black to respond. Since the peep doesn't work well enough for black, I think this is the best of the options.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W 3 O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 6 1 2 . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . 8 X 7 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

See, no peep.

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Post #273 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:52 am 
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Not disagreeing with your main choice, but are you sure there's no peep?

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O X X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 O X O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 3 O X O . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 6 O X X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just sayin' :)
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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #274 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:21 pm 
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Um ... tj seems like he's gotten the only move here, so I'll just recommend something wacky and tenuki.

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[go]$$Wcm22 move 23
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #275 Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:37 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To team and observers:

See our last move comments :) Thanks all for the suggestions, the thin-ness is why I rejected Chew's idea, and both others would have chosen this move.
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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #276 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:09 am 
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[go]$$Wcm24 move 24
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . c . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . z b . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Some thoughts.... If we are planning to run the group I think a straight attachment at a might be best... trying to jump allows white to cut... if we want to try to keep the group alive and take the corner I think playing (b) forces white to play (z) which allows us to reinforce (b) or play (c) and create a very big base for our group...

however, playing (a) allows us the possibility of cutting or peeking at (y) which outs whites side group into jeopardy...

Anyways... Just some late night thoughts...

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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #277 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:06 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok... saw this too... If white responds with :w2: to the peep at :b1: black makes a good run out by making a tigers mouth with :b3:

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Post #278 Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:37 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok... saw this too... If white responds with :w2: to the peep at :b1: black makes a good run out by making a tigers mouth with :b3:


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
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Post #279 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:16 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Nothing too interesting to say here. I was looking at the variations, and I don't see any way that we can get away with haneing, as our shape is just too weak. Assuming white extends next turn though, I plan on cutting:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 5 . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would be fine with this.

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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #280 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:07 pm 
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I don't see an alternative to Jedo's suggestion.

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