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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #321 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:24 am 
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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . c . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . a . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If Black takes 2, I will nominate 3. It threatens to capture at 'a' or jump safely to 'b', in good shape... However, it seems to me like B may take 'a' or 'c'.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #322 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:11 pm 
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Ooops! I'm used to Chew Terr being my teammate in Big Brother Malkovich # 1, and reading his post automatically in that thread. :oops:

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Offline jts
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Post #323 Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:19 pm 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #324 Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:53 am 
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To black teammates: Suggestions?

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


BTW. the westward flow of the last move was tactically neccesary, but I still think that the direction of play is northward - for all the running groups.

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Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #325 Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:03 am 
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Some quick thoughts... (I might come back and read this after some sleep and think I am insane :lol: )
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . d . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . c O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . e O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , f a . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


the peep at (f) doesn't seem like it will be worth the effort... for now... unless the object of it is to create a wall for now... example..

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 4 O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 1 2 . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am interested in (a) for two reasons... a forces :w2: and I see two responses for white once black plays :b3:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . c O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 3 2 1 4 X . , . b . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X a . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w6: at :b1: and :b7: at (a), (b), or (c)....

or this...

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 7 O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a 5 O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 3 2 1 6 X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w4: elsewhere (speaking of insane... :w4: at (a) ruins this example.. if it wasn't already bad...)

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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #326 Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . b O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . a . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The knight's moves at a and b would be standard response to the cap if white's last move was one space lower as I've shown here.

I do think the correct move is on this side; otherwise that stone is in a lot of trouble.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . a . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One concern I have is that white might be able to make good shape in sente with an attachment at a, so our next move should look to make that not work.

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Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #327 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:21 pm 
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So I am having trouble finding anything past one aggressive and one passive move in current local area we are playing in...

Aggressive move:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 4 O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 1 2 . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Passive move: at 1 or (a)
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #328 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:43 pm 
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To observers:
Jordus' L4 is aggressive, but it is aji keshi. I like both of his other suggestions.
I'm happy to see that everyone is looking at the same area around out K3 stone.


@Jedo: You still here?

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Offline fwiffo
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Post #329 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:17 pm 
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Wow, I'm losing track of everything! I guess I'll post a suggestion

...Though I don't feel very confident about the game right now.

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[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #330 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 1 . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #331 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:49 pm 
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fwiffo wrote:
...
...Though I don't feel very confident about the game right now.


Black internal chat:
What's not to like? I think that they have about 25 points of territory and one weak group.
We have 35 points of territory, one weak group, and komi. And we have the R9 stone deep in their territory which has all kinds of aji.
I thought that we are clearly ahead.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #332 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:45 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
fwiffo wrote:
...
...Though I don't feel very confident about the game right now.


Black internal chat:
What's not to like? I think that they have about 25 points of territory and one weak group.
We have 35 points of territory, one weak group, and komi. And we have the R9 stone deep in their territory which has all kinds of aji.
I thought that we are clearly ahead.


For joaz:
Where do you count 35 points of territory? I see about 25 solid points for black
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Offline Jedo
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Post #333 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:48 pm 
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Sorry! I was busy getting my ass kicked by Magicwand

black internal/suggestion
First of all, I definitely like the way the game is going so far. Jordus' suggestion may not be ideal, as I think using those peeps is just aki keshi for now and I'd rather omit those exchanges. I like fwiffo's suggestion, however:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's so annoying to let white get this shape, which just is so good for white in this running battle. Because white's shape is so weak I think we might be able to play a little stronger:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My suggestion. This weakens white, and if white just grabs the one stone there are a few thigns we might be able to do:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 9 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O . O b . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 2 , . . . X . , a . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 3 4 X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 5 6 8 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Playing like this might be fine. It's a tough call, but my concern the other way:
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[go]$$Bcm31 Move 31 Suggestion
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 6 3 5 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Who is gaining more from the running fight? I'm concerned white may be benefiting more than we have to let them

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #334 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:57 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Shaddy wrote:
For joaz:
Where do you count 35 points of territory? I see about 25 solid points for black


@Shaddy:
I see
5 in the top left,
12-15 in the top right,
15-18 in the lower left.

It depends, I suppose, what you mean by 'solid'. If you mean "Lee-Changho-can't-take-it-from-me-solid", then it is only 20 points. :)

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Offline Redundant
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #335 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:41 pm 
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L7 just screams shape move to me.
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Offline tj86430
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Post #336 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:39 am 
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White suggestion:
Redundant wrote:
L7 just screams shape move to me.

I completely agree, but to suggest something else I suggest J6.

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Offline topazg
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Post #337 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:13 am 
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I'm glad you both think so:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To Team and Observers:

I think we've just taken a point Black really wanted. Black's last move doesn't threaten to cut at M4, helps us completely fix our group, lets us harrass the lower right corner in sente against Black's dragon, and, well, doesn't do very much for Black either. Maybe a case of overthinking? Maybe Joaz didn't get our point as a suggestion, but to me it was Black's only move. Now we should get sente to return to the top left I hope.
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #338 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:13 am 
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I think they just got a little greedier. Wanted to make a bunch of points while also inducing themselves to run further out. That's my guess at their reasoning, at least. And since I slept too long to submit a move, I'll retroactively suggest... A1.

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Offline topazg
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Post #339 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:23 am 
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I'd believe the points argument if Black didn't also have an open skirt down there. I really cannot fathom Black's last move.
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #340 Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:27 am 
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WIC:

I'd believe the points argument if Black didn't also have an open skirt down there. I really cannot fathom Black's last move.

Maybe my move suggestion (which Joaz accidentally moved) was just TOO indimidating!

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