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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #501 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:20 pm 
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Post #502 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:40 pm 
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same sequence as last post...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #503 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:35 pm 
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We lost our move numbers at some point. I think we're on :b53:.

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[go]$$Bcm50
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I haven't read completely, but since Joaz thinks we can win the fight, this move and the one Jordus picked are the only two that seem even plausible. But my instinct tells me Jordus's is probably correct.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #504 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:29 pm 
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Actually, I was mis-remembering the move I wanted. The solid connection works when we have a ladder breaker.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 4 X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So we really need this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I only have one more suggestion forthcoming. :cry:

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Offline Jedo
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #505 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:33 pm 
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Have to agree with Jordus on this one, Fwiffo's seems dangerous:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X 7 8 . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 1 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I must say I'm a little surprised at the last few moves, I thought the standard sequence was fine, since we still got sente. I'm worried about the future.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #506 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:34 pm 
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We lost our move numbers at some point. I think we're on :b53:.

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[go]$$Bcm50
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I haven't read completely, but since Joaz thinks we can win the fight, this move and the one Jordus picked are the only two that seem even plausible. But my instinct tells me Jordus's is probably correct.



@Fwiffo:
Ummm...I was kinda hoping that you would read completely. Or, at least this far:
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[go]$$Bcm50 White cannot prevent both 'a' and 'b'.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X 7 b . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a . 8 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #507 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:37 pm 
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Jedo wrote:
... I'm worried about the future.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Jedo:
I'm worried too. Can you save us?


@Self:
MEMO: Never, ever play an obscure joseki in a teamovich game.

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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #508 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:48 pm 
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Post #509 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:22 pm 
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Well, yes, that was the kind of thing I was concerned about, but Jordus already suggested the only move I saw, so I threw out the only other idea I had. In a game I would never have played :b49: or :b51:, so I'm lost for getting us out of this pickle. I will spend some more time looking at it, please don't move until at least tomorrow.

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Post #510 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 4 1 5 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #511 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm 
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Only other option than what we have discussed is this
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 6 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However the stone at c9 is bad for us if we play that out me thinks...

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Post #512 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . a 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

We could connect with this :b53:. That way we don't get stuck with a cutting point if white pushes at a. But...

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . 3 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |[/go]

I don't know quite how to deal with this, but this :b53: is better than my previous suggestion, which I could only get to work with a favorable ladder, which we're never going to have. This result might be acceptable if we can live in the corner and make something of our weak group, because white is crawling away miserably. Might be better for white to sacrifice.

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Offline Jedo
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Post #513 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:17 pm 
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I think there may be issues with Fwiffo's suggestion:


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . 3 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 X X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 2 X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |[/go]


seems dangerous. The best I can think of is something like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . 9 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 4 1 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 7 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way, we can at least salvage something by grabbing some side territory in sente using teh aji of the other stones. Then we will get a chance to lock down some more points/ reduce the middle

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Post #514 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . a 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm going to change my suggestion to this. Although I think Jordus's move is actually correct, I want to give our courageous captain some options, and I think this is better than the solid connection. My previous move is certainly bad.

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 Post subject: Re: Teamovitch #1
Post #515 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:13 pm 
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To observers:
I do believe that I have seriously screwed my undeserving teammates here. The version that I was initially thinking of requires the ladder, and we don't have it.

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Post #516 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:34 pm 
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black chat:

the more i think about it the more I like this... less complicated then the other move, but black is still in danger... hmm...
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[go]$$Bc Continued in next diagram
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . 6 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 7 . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 . . . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X 1 . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . 3 . . . . O O X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 2 . , . . . . . O X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X . O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . O . X O . O O . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . X O , X X . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . X . O X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I dont know.... grrr.. lol...

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Post #517 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:46 pm 
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Sorry, guys, I screwed up big time. I played a line that required the ladder without remembering to check for the ladder.
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Post #518 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:19 pm 
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I think we can still salvage things... I personally don't feel threatened too much, I just can't decide at this point which move gives the better chance of survival....

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Post #519 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:09 am 
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It seems we've given them a lot to discuss.

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Salvaging a small corner is about the best we can do I think. Resign?

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