Even game. I'll say 6.5 komi. Here's my nigiri:
Good luck!
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Even game. I'll say 6.5 komi. Here's my nigiri:  Good luck! |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:02 pm ] |
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| Author: | perceval [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
good game numsgil; i was looking for this thread on the malko forums  nigiri: even Edit: i guessed right so i take Black;
i never played 5-4 on a normal board, but here i'll try as the sides are a bit bigger than 19x19; random thoughts on the board: maybe here walls must be used for territory : consider the sans san invasion joseki:
there is nothing to attack on the center for the B wall , it does not offer a place to run for stones on the other side of the board. on the other hand,enclosing a territory on the bottom seems easy. (or going for the kill if W invade the bottom) Here i think i'll try for 6 stones high territory as much as possible maybe a 3rd line stone + 5th line stone are enough to sketch a big territory ??
Can  i kill an invasion at a on the diag above ??i wonder the value of playing on the inner corners ??? it might be a usefule reduction foothold if you want to reduce a side: i repost the diag i posted on the first thread:
changing the color of one of the inner corners seems big:
does that mean i want to play on them early ? even before an approach (i dont think so for now)?? i wonder |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Ah, sorry, I wasn't sure if it would be strictly proper in the main malkovich forum. ...
When I first thought about this board I was guessing that you'd need to play very territorially. But the "ceiling" edge works very well with influence, too. So any corner opening that's reasonable on a 19x19 works here, too, I think. The joseki won't always work, though. Specifically, I can't say I like this for black:
That "feels" pretty natural for black, though. So he might play it. The sides are interesting here, too. It's not too hard for one player to block them off entirely, and effectively cut the whole side in two. So moyos become a real possibility. In terms of my opponent's move: he's aiming for a moyo no doubt. I like making sabaki in enemy moyos, so this suits me just fine. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
No escape into the middle... Like hyperpape's diagram shows, pincer will become very strong and I guess invasion will become difficult. Maybe some kind of 3rd line moyo strategy would be best ? Oo |
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| Author: | perceval [ Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
well not much to hide, i guess he will take the last corner and then no idea; i am not a big fan of his 3-3 because the board is larger than 19x19; i think corner approaches are difficult because of the pincer josekis mentioned by shapeandaji in the orig thread so i think i plan to split his side; a 3-3 will help that i think |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Nothing crazy. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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The D4 star point disappeared since  .
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
It looks like it's there to me? (Unless someone went in to ninja them back). |
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| Author: | perceval [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
i was about to complete the shimari on top... but then a splitting move would be natural for W. So here i play on the middle, i try to induce it to come around S19. reasonning is that i hope that i'll be able to surround W in the top right corner and transform the whole top (minus top right corner) in territory for example:
(i dont really know much about 5-4 joseki) i consider the 6th line territory as a bonus due to the shape of the board. Well its proably crasy ramblings at this point  we ll see[Hide] |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Biggest move: asymmetric corner. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
I wonder if something like this is bigger. It is hard to invade, I think. |
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| Author: | perceval [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
according to the 'grab the top'plan |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
I don't actually know any 5-3 joseki.  This is what I'm thinking:
Then I have to decide between 'a' and 'b'. 'a' takes the corner, but I really don't like the thickness black gets as a result. 'b' aims at making a base along the top side in gote, and giving black the corner, but it's a large corner at the end of the day, and harassing the group is quite good for black. So I'm leaning towards 'a'. If 4 is on the other side, I take the ponnuki facing the top with no hesitation. |
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| Author: | perceval [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
cant let him atari there. i think |
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| Author: | Celebrir [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Is this good for W ? The main problem I have with this joseki is that it seems like black never will have to take the stone with 'a'. Therefore I tried to equalize with a tennuki. I'm not sure where the biggest move is but  looks okay ? Or is 'a' more important ? |
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| Author: | Numsgil [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
Still not all that sold on this line, but I don't see anything I like better. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
I think being low on this board is fine. |
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| Author: | Tryss [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board |
hyperpape wrote: I think being low on this board is fine. Nearly all intersection are on the 3rd line or lower : you can't be high  |
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