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Author: | Tonkleton [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Aiming for the center (15k) |
Hello, and thank you in advance to anyone who takes the time to offer advice. A few thoughts: -This game was one I felt was going really well for me, and even though I did win, I was surprised that it ended up so close. It feels like I let my opponent have his or her way this game. -In the start, I conceded a lot of territory. I did get good influence from it but I don't know that it was worth it. -I think the invasion on move 85 was a key juncture. It seems I had a lot of potential in the center, but the result of the game makes me feel like I ended up wasting that. Regarding the subsequent moves: --Move 85: Maybe this should have been on the 4th line to better suit my influence-oriented strategy? --Move 91: I think probably could have played the atari at M4 for a better result --Move 93: My thinking here was to concede a base to avoid being sealed in. This was probably a poor way to do it. --Move 97: Not needed. --Move 106: I wasn't sure if this was a good response to my opponent's push. My opponent probably could have pushed further into my territory, but instead invaded the center which didn't go well for him or her. Again, thank you for your time! |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:45 pm ] |
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Hi Tonkleton, ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() W should Q14 to pressure your corner, to cut your corner off the rest of the game. ![]() Basic joseki: B extends to Q15, W hanes Q18, B hanes P18, W connects R18, B connects P17, W jumps to R14. First, study the basic sequence. This ![]() It's possible you are confused about when the corner is empty -- with only your Q16 star point stone, and W jumps into 3-3 at R17 -- without the exchange of ![]() ![]() That is a completely different situation and joseki. ![]() ![]() Likely, W is also confused about the same empty-corner 3-3 joseki mentioned above. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() W cuts at the same vital point P17. Next, W has miai of the cut at Q15 and the hane N18. Homework: prove to your satisfaction that you'll lose either your two stones at P18, or your two stones at Q17. In other words, W connects back to his Q18 corner. ![]() ![]() the elephant's eye -- at N14. This one is OK, but... ![]() Basic shape: after your ( ![]() ![]() where W hits the vital point N14, you have two local follow-ups: keima L13, and keima M12. If the top is good for you, L13 keima. If the right side is good for you, M12 keima. Either keima is better, much better, than your ![]() The other push, ![]() ![]() ![]() W is not out yet. Keima L12 to continue to attack W, while you expand your top at the same time. ![]() then this same ![]() ![]() ![]() lack of fighting spirit. These two moves completely let W off the hook. ![]() ![]() ![]() Instead of these, W could simply jump out, to say N10. You get lucky W spent 3 very slow moves here. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() After the exchange ![]() ![]() If the W cut at E13 is bad for W, or, if W does not want to cut at E13, then W should not push at ![]() Proverb: push-and-cut. Not: push-and-retreat. The net result here is W has reduced his own liberties, W bumps his head against B, making bad shape for W himself, and gives B a chance to fix the cut at E13. Common bad habit. Basic shape: by the way, the cut at E13 has been there for a very long time -- all the way back to your ![]() ![]() I didn't say anything until this ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Quote: Move 85: Maybe...to better suit my influence-oriented strategy? Good question. If you do a rough tally of all the mistakes and problems mentioned so far,up to ![]() basic tesuji, basic reading, basic fighting skills. Strategy is more big picture; tactics are more local. They must go together. From the above tally, you can see the overwhelming majority of mistakes at these levels are in the tactics. Without the proper basic tactics -- basic shapes, basic tesuji, basic life-and-death, basic reading, basic fighting skills -- without these, no strategy will work. Hopefully this gives you an idea what is much more important to fix and to study at these levels. |
Author: | Tonkleton [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Aiming for the center (15k) |
These comments are wonderful! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Thank you for your invaluable insight. |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:31 pm ] |
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Hi Tonkleton, You're welcome. Quote: ![]() (Also, because these problems and symptoms happen again and again, for many people and many levels. ![]() From my other posts on the forum (and in your future reviews), you'll hear them over and over ad nauseum. ![]() Quote: It seems I need to put more focus on tsumego and the basics, and much less on big-picture strategy. ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Aiming for the center (15k) |
Edit: Added more variations and comments. ![]() Main focus: Think big. Make territory while attacking. Edit: Always fill the dame. ![]() |
Author: | Tonkleton [ Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Aiming for the center (15k) |
Excellent! I've read that a good move does at least two different things and I can see concrete examples of that in the moves you've suggested. Your variations are very thought-provoking - for instance, I would never have thought to tenuki on ![]() I can't emphasize enough how useful it is to hear the thoughts of more experienced players like you and Ed. So, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge! ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Aiming for the center (15k) |
I have edited my previous note to add variations and comments. ![]() Your strategy worked fine, BTW. ![]() |
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