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| Author: | tekesta [ Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program |
Hello again and sorry for having been away so long. Lately I have decided to get my Go experience playing against computer opponents, in the event that human opponents are hard to find. I learned that computers nowadays are programmed to play in a style typical of a human player of X rank. A program rated at 5k will play moves typical of a 5k human player, a 1-dan rated program will play moves typical of a human shodan, and so on. So I think that I will not pick up too many bad habits playing against a computer. Just today I played a total of 11 games, one against "NeuGoEcho" and the other 10 against "NeuGoDelta". Both of these programs are about 1 dan in strength. Below are two of the aforementioned games. For comparison's sake I have included a game against "mfgo12kyu1", a computer program rated at 12 kyu. You will notice that my opening play was rather timid; I have yet to get accustomed to the hyper-aggressive fuseki of these programs. Too bad the games were marked as "free", for I would've been able to get proper handicap and so had a chance at victory had the games been rated. |
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| Author: | Mike Novack [ Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program |
Something you should know. MFOG 12 is using a combination of a knowledge based AI (select a set of plausible moves, each with a "go reason" behind them) and then at the HIGHER levels using MCTS to evaluate which of these is the est << but at the lower levels, a knowledge based AI >> I am pretty sure that at the 12 kyu level, MFOG 12 isn't using MCTS at all. << in the days before anybody was using MCTS, MFOG 11 was at about 6 kyu just using it's knowledge based AI >> Fotland may have changed this more recently, but AFAIK only the 1 dan and 3 kyu levels of MFOG 12 use MCTS. It is clear that is you want to play against MFOG you need to have it at a higher level than 12 kyu. |
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| Author: | tekesta [ Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program |
I am aware that mfog12kyu will play only at 12-kyu level. What I really want is for someone to review my games against NeuGo programs Delta and Echo, which I believe to be rated at amateur shodan level. |
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program |
My guess is that your play against the computer is at about a 6-8 kyu level. Perhaps it would be better to play some handicap games and show us those. |
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| Author: | Mike Novack [ Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program |
You could also (assuming you wanted to be playing against MFOG) choose a bot running that at a higher level. I don't know what the player names would be (I used to) but perhaps somebody else here knows. |
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| Author: | tekesta [ Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:29 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: My (string of lost) games against a 1D computer program | ||
DrStraw wrote: My guess is that your play against the computer is at about a 6-8 kyu level. Perhaps it would be better to play some handicap games and show us those. Well, I have this 9-stone game against Leela that I played a couple of nights ago.
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