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Author: | Ian Butler [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:25 am ] |
Post subject: | David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
A new year, another 365 days to play and learn Go. To start the year, I had the fortune of finding a game against an OGS 1-dan player. I'm not gonna pass up an opportunity to play against such a strong opponent and we even reviewed a little bit. I tried to play my A-game, obviously, and I think I might be able to learn a lot from the mistakes I made. So I hope others here will help me point out more learning opportunities! Biggest mistakes: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think from there it was pretty much lost. Another moment of shame when I played ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Moves I'm proud-ish of. After all, this was a 1-dan, and I didn't cower away. So I'm proud of my playing, too. I used my time very well, played slowly and considered every single move. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | gennan [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
Mistakes?: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I'm sure your 1d OGS opponent was quite aware of having a comfortable lead now, so from this point onward he doesn't really need to play his best to win. He can just play safely and avoid big fights. ![]() ![]() But it is true that this move does little to fix black's overall problem that the game is already lost (at this point, white is leading by 65 points according to the AI review). Alas, there are no moves to miraculously fix this overall problem. Good moves?: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Ian Butler [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
Thanks so much for your input, gennan. It's interesting, on some points you say the opposite of my opponent in the review, so it's interesting to remember Go is hard, and even (a lot) stronger players can see things very different. ![]() Missing the ladder (twice) is ridiculous and probably what made the game too easy on white, which is a shame because I feel I could've put up more of a fight if I hadn't done that. Well, it's not that my reading was wrong, I read out a fairly long sequence successfully, it's just that I missed a better move for my opponent which made the ladder work (keep atari-ing it down doesn't, and that's what I had read out multiple times). I'm still proud of this game and I'm grateful that you shared your thoughts on it. Especially what you said about black 25 is interesting. At the time this was my exact thought: I don't quite see how i'll profit from this. But I've always been too passive a player and now I thought: any player with some guts would harass this group. But I'll have to learn how to attack and more so how to gain with attacking. When to leave something alone and when not, that's actually the hardest part! |
Author: | gennan [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
While I think that ![]() ![]() I would have extended to P3 instead. And P3 stays quite big and urgent for a long time, although both of you don't play there until ![]() I find it quite arduous to make variations on L19, so I won't go into that here. I much prefer https://gokibitz.com/kifu to comment with variations. I don't think ![]() ![]() My issue with it is the timing. Why does black play in this area at his moment? The game is still in the opening stage and there is nothing critical going on at the right side at this moment, so there is no reason to rush for P12. Black can just continue playing the opening in other areas of the board. And from an opening point of view, the lower side is the most open area at this moment. So I would like to settle the group in the lower right corner and hopefully approach the lower left corner as well. To me, P12 feels like a move that black (or white) might play in the transition from opening to middle game. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
I think that 21 at Q3, on an otherwise random board, is a mistake. The 3-3 point seems better. ( Just a hunch that I can't prove ) On this particular board, it may be playable because of the black stones at P10 and R10. If 21 works, it works only because it makes white overconcentrated with no good direction to go. Black is building groups on both sides of the white group: one to the north, one to the south If black really means what his hand said when he played 21, he MUST eventually take R2. He must maintain the group to the south of white. It is thematic. To accomplish this, black has to either take R2 now, or play P3 with the intention of playing R2 very soon. Move 23 at P4 is the wrong direction. It makes 21 at Q3 into a bad move. The important question is whether black has time to play P3, or whether he has to play R2 immediately to prevent white from taking it. My reading - which may have some holes in it - says that white is too thin after playing R2. IOW, it should go like this: |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David (9 kyu) vs Goliath (1 dan) |
A few top of the head comments. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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