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Post #1 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:58 pm 
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well, i lose this game by 2,5.
quite surprising cause my counting says i lead a little
can anybody point out what should i do n what shouldn't
i'll really help
thanks

this is the game:

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:55 pm 
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Just a few notes on the end game, where you could have picked up a few points. Obviously take this with a grain of salt, we're at the same level...

235: Isn't this dame? At any rate you can't lose more than a point by failing to connect.
239: Again, I don't think that cutting your groups is worth that much for W, so I would treat this as 1/3 of a point. K2, F14 and E1 all have large follow-ups for you.
240: You could have taken E1 and F14 first before playing a gote move.
255: S5 saves 2 pts.
263: B5 could be worth 1 pt more than B13 (because after W takes B5, he plays again), if there were a point somewhere that you missed.

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:42 pm 
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I moved this to the 'game analysis' forum, where it will probably get more replies.
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Post #4 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Move 9 at F16 looks way too loose. If we look at the corner ( renumbered to show just the moves in that corner ) you are essentially playing a taisha with white having an extra move at D12. As the taisha often explodes into half a dozen or more running groups desperately seeking life, that extra stone is sure to benefit him.

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[go]$$Wc
$$-------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . 1 . . . . . .
$$| . . . , 5 4 . . . ,
$$| . . 2 . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . 3 . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]


Worse yet, you abandon your newly placed stone at F16. Even if white 3 were not there, black 6 is inconsistent with black 4.

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[go]$$Wc Joseki is one of the circled plays.
$$-------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . 6 1 . C . . . .
$$| . . . , 5 4 . . . ,
$$| . . 2 . C C . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]


If you are going to play 4, you have to back it up when he attacks it.

But you end up with the extra stone just sitting there, separated and useless:

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[go]$$Wc White fixes his shape with 'a' next
$$-------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . 7 . . . . . . .
$$| . . 6 1 a . . . . .
$$| . . 0 8 5 4 . . . ,
$$| . . 2 9 . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . 3 . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]


Another way of looking at is is, if you had this position:

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[go]$$Wc
$$-------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . O . . . . . . .
$$| . . X O O . . . . .
$$| . . X X O . . . . ,
$$| . . X O . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

...would you play this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$-------------------------
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . O . . . . . . .
$$| . . X O O . . . . .
$$| . . X X O 1 . . . ,
$$| . . X O . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . O . . . . . .
$$| . . . . . . . . . .
$$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:28 pm 
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A few ideas:

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Post #6 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:48 am 
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jts wrote:
235: Isn't this dame? At any rate you can't lose more than a point by failing to connect.
239: Again, I don't think that cutting your groups is worth that much for W, so I would treat this as 1/3 of a point. K2, F14 and E1 all have large follow-ups for you.
240: You could have taken E1 and F14 first before playing a gote move.
255: S5 saves 2 pts.
263: B5 could be worth 1 pt more than B13 (because after W takes B5, he plays again), if there were a point somewhere that you missed.


quite true...
235 is a missread (actually, i didn't read at all... :oops: )
think i could kill 2 stones there
and about 255, well, i forgot that i already kill the white group in middle right
for the rest, i have no excuse, clearly my fault

thanks

@joaz...
i'm kinda experimenting there... i know it turn out silly... :oops:

@edlee...
thanks for the pointer but i think if u can give deeper variation it'll be really great
like the move :b35: , why it's better to continue pushing
can w tenuki there? i think w group already has an eye and a base for another eye

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Post #7 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:48 am 
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f4223n354 wrote:
like the move :b35:, why it's better to continue pushing
Because you played E6 in gote, and locally if you add a move in gote,
then pushing at H6 is more efficient than E6:
Black H6 has a follow-up hane at J5 (which also has ramifications with the B hane at F2),
whereas :w36:, turning at the same point H6 gives W the follow-up atari at G7.
So locally, H6 is a shared vital point for B and W -- no deep reading needed.

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