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Author:	f4223n354 [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:58 pm ]
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well, i lose this game by 2,5. quite surprising cause my counting says i lead a little can anybody point out what should i do n what shouldn't i'll really help thanks this is the game:

Author:	jts [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:55 pm ]
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Just a few notes on the end game, where you could have picked up a few points. Obviously take this with a grain of salt, we're at the same level... 235: Isn't this dame? At any rate you can't lose more than a point by failing to connect. 239: Again, I don't think that cutting your groups is worth that much for W, so I would treat this as 1/3 of a point. K2, F14 and E1 all have large follow-ups for you. 240: You could have taken E1 and F14 first before playing a gote move. 255: S5 saves 2 pts. 263: B5 could be worth 1 pt more than B13 (because after W takes B5, he plays again), if there were a point somewhere that you missed.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:42 pm ]
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[admin] I moved this to the 'game analysis' forum, where it will probably get more replies. [/admin]

Author: Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:18 pm ]

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Move 9 at F16 looks way too loose. If we look at the corner ( renumbered to show just the moves in that corner ) you are essentially playing a taisha with white having an extra move at D12. As the taisha often explodes into half a dozen or more running groups desperately seeking life, that extra stone is sure to benefit him.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . 1 . . . . . . $$| . . . , 5 4 . . . , $$| . . 2 . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . 3 . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

Worse yet, you abandon your newly placed stone at F16. Even if white 3 were not there, black 6 is inconsistent with black 4.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Joseki is one of the circled plays. $$------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . 6 1 . C . . . . $$| . . . , 5 4 . . . , $$| . . 2 . C C . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

If you are going to play 4, you have to back it up when he attacks it.

But you end up with the extra stone just sitting there, separated and useless:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc White fixes his shape with 'a' next $$------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . 7 . . . . . . . $$| . . 6 1 a . . . . . $$| . . 0 8 5 4 . . . , $$| . . 2 9 . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . 3 . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

Another way of looking at is is, if you had this position:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . O . . . . . . . $$| . . X O O . . . . . $$| . . X X O . . . . , $$| . . X O . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . O . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

...would you play this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . O . . . . . . . $$| . . X O O . . . . . $$| . . X X O 1 . . . , $$| . . X O . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . O . . . . . . $$| . . . . . . . . . . $$| . . . , . . . . . .[/go]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:28 pm ]
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A few ideas:

Author:	f4223n354 [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:48 am ]
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jts wrote: 235: Isn't this dame? At any rate you can't lose more than a point by failing to connect. 239: Again, I don't think that cutting your groups is worth that much for W, so I would treat this as 1/3 of a point. K2, F14 and E1 all have large follow-ups for you. 240: You could have taken E1 and F14 first before playing a gote move. 255: S5 saves 2 pts. 263: B5 could be worth 1 pt more than B13 (because after W takes B5, he plays again), if there were a point somewhere that you missed. quite true... 235 is a missread (actually, i didn't read at all... ) think i could kill 2 stones there and about 255, well, i forgot that i already kill the white group in middle right for the rest, i have no excuse, clearly my fault thanks @joaz... i'm kinda experimenting there... i know it turn out silly... @edlee... thanks for the pointer but i think if u can give deeper variation it'll be really great like the move , why it's better to continue pushing can w tenuki there? i think w group already has an eye and a base for another eye

Author:	EdLee [ Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:48 am ]
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f4223n354 wrote: like the move , why it's better to continue pushing Because you played E6 in gote, and locally if you add a move in gote, then pushing at H6 is more efficient than E6: Black H6 has a follow-up hane at J5 (which also has ramifications with the B hane at F2), whereas , turning at the same point H6 gives W the follow-up atari at G7. So locally, H6 is a shared vital point for B and W -- no deep reading needed.

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