nihilo, how long have you played Go and how many games have you finished (including 9x9, 13x13, 19x19) ?
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| Author: | nihilo [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
I played this game against kagishuwo. As I don't have internet acess at the time, I'm recreating the game on my cell phone. Please comment as you will: I resigned after move 55. As, I felt that I had too many weaknesses in my position. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:49 pm ] |
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nihilo, how long have you played Go and how many games have you finished (including 9x9, 13x13, 19x19) ?
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| Author: | nihilo [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:01 pm ] |
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I guess I first learned of the game when I was 16. I am 21 now. Why? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:08 pm ] |
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Trying to figure out your level and experience (apart from the few moves in the game ).So do you estimate you have finished 100 games so far? |
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| Author: | nihilo [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:32 pm ] |
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I've probably played more than a thousand games. The upper bound is a mystery though. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:45 pm ] |
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nihilo wrote: I've probably played more than a thousand games. Wow, I see, thanks. Was this game on KGS?
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| Author: | Bantari [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:50 pm ] |
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EdLee wrote: nihilo wrote: I've probably played more than a thousand games. Wow, I see, thanks. Was this game on KGS?Wow! Lucky me I don't post games for review. Would hate to be grilled like that before any comments are given. Especially by people not reading the original question very carefully. 
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| Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:02 pm ] |
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My comment: you resigned way too early. I don't even think you're behind... |
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| Author: | nihilo [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:19 pm ] |
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...perhaps some elaboration? |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:39 pm ] |
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Bantari, Bantari wrote: Especially by people not reading the original question very carefully. nihilo wrote: I played this game against kagishuwo. As I don't have internet acess at the time, I'm recreating the game on my cell phone. Opps, I guess I read it a bit differently; I guessed that nihilo and kagishuwo are KGS usernames (and they are), I read:- maybe they played the game online (say, KGS) - later, nihilo could not go online, so he could not retrieve the game, so he replayed the game on his cell phone But then I realized if he could access L19, he was online, so it means this game was played in person? My bad; thanks, Bantari.
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| Author: | judicata [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:46 pm ] |
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Bantari wrote: Lucky me I don't post games for review. Would hate to be grilled like that before any comments are given. Do you really consider that a grilling? Anyhow, it is difficult comment, but I'm not entirely sure why you resigned. Maybe you can elaborate on why you thought you were behind so we see what your thought process is. |
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| Author: | lightvector [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
Some basic shape suggestions: Move 18 - Normally, respond to diagonal contact moves (C8 or D7). Move 34 - Bad. Black M17 gives white a broken shape (ripped keima). http://senseis.xmp.net/?LameDuGo#toc2 Move 46 - Respond to diagonal contact moves (R9). Also, don't invite a ripped tobi. http://senseis.xmp.net/?LameDuGo#toc3 Move 54 - Why not follow up on your push at R9 and stop black from connecting there? Move 56 - Way too early to resign. White is doing just fine. |
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| Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
I'm typing on a tiny keyboard, so apologies if this is terse... 4: Wrong side. Unusual situations only. 6: Too far. I'd play in the open corner. 8: unusual. 13: What??? Get out. 14: Should be G5. 16: Too far. Leaves a giant invasion point. J3 is correct, I think. 17: Insane. The armpit hit is never good, and this is not an exception. 18: D8 or G5 look better to me. D8 seems essential. 20: f6 is trying to save a garbage stone. Tenuki. 21: Wrong side. 22: Just enclose. 24: Enclose is still better. Black can't connect anyway, so this is unnecessary. 31: Really slow. 32: Both this attachment and the last one were really small moves. Help your two stones on the side instead. 34: Never play this again; Black connects and then you have horrible shape. If you wanted to play here, then you shouldn't have played 32. 35: connect, it harms white's other stone more. 38: Did you read the ladder? 40: I don't understand this move. 41: Locally m2 seems better. 43: Why play m3 and abandon it? It doesn't make sense. 45: Another armpit hit. Still bad. 46: Q8! 47: Q8!! 51: R11!!! 54: I'd S9, I think. I'm guessing both players are below 10k, in which case I have two comments: 1: Don't resign until it's totally obvious to you that you can't win without a silly blunder from your opponent. Like, you have 100 dead stones. 2: 4 hour games are probably not terribly productive at your level. Play faster. You get to play more that way
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| Author: | nihilo [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
Thank you. I shall practice more. |
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:07 pm ] |
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I'm a little stunned... why would you resign just because there were a few weaknesses? He had weaknesses too, weaknesses are a thing you need to learn to deal with. How you deal with them is more important than whether or not they're there... If you give up this easily, it will be very hard to learn and get stronger. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:08 pm ] |
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As Daniel said, it is not clear that you are losing. There is still lots of unclaimed territory in the center, and you have the best chance of taking it. I share Ed's curiousity about your experience. Your style of play is very unusual. It looks like you have tried to learn the game entirely on your own with no books and no advice. If so, it is a long hard road. It's good that you finally came in out of the cold. Welcome to L19. Below are some particular comments. I included a number of variations, showing alternative moves. I recommend getting a basic beginners' book on go. It will make it much easier for you. PS: Shapenaji is so strong that he has evidently forgotton what it is like to be a beginner. 
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| Author: | shapenaji [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:29 pm ] |
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Joaz Banbeck wrote: PS: Shapenaji is so strong that he has evidently forgotton what it is like to be a beginner. Oh, I remember well, I remember never resigning as long as there was something interesting on the board. The toughest part about being a beginner was learning not to waste the stronger player's time  Here was a resignation just as a fight was about to start... If I had no introduction to this game, I would have sworn that it was a game in progress, or an opening study. |
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| Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:36 pm ] |
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daniel_the_smith wrote: ... 4: Wrong side. Unusual situations only... This may require some elaboration to make sense. When there is a lone stone in the corner at the 3-4 point, like this: ...the usual ways of approaching it are this: ...or this: FWIW, they often lead to common josekis like this: |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
Edit: Joaz ninja'd me on this, but I'm still posting it. With a black stone at the 3-4 in the corner, don't play  . It doesn't contest the corner properly and thus is on the wrong side. When black next plays 'b', your one stone is under a lot of pressure, and black gets to play the move he wanted to make all along (if it was black's turn instead of white's, 'a' or 'b' would be extremely big moves for him: see shimari). Thus, the exchange helps black more than white. Instead, you should be approaching the corner with one of a-d. 'a' and 'b' are the most popular, but 'c' and 'd' have merit and can be played as well.However, the biggest lesson you should learn from this game is the one shapenaji already mentioned: don't resign until the game is absolutely lost. Better to never resign than to resign this early. |
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| Author: | quantumf [ Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The conclusion: A total of four hours for this game. |
Some moves that you would want to play as soon as possible: S9 - to turn the 3 black stones at R11 into a floating group that can be attacked M15 - to ensure that black's top group is confined to the side, and can play no further part in the game. This is particularly important if you want to keep up the attack on R11. L3 - to firmly seize control of the territory on the bottom H3 - to aim to control a huge central area PS In this game, I'd rather be white than black. Why? Because while black has more territory right now, white has much more potential to get significant territory in the middle. Black also has more weak stones to worry about than white. |
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