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Post #1 Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:54 pm 
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I played this game last Thursday. It was a tournament match with 75 min main time and 1x 30 sec overtime.
I'm black.

All comments are welcome.
I ended up with way too much groups on the board (again)
Also D10 became really heavy, while I wanted to just play something flexible there.



I think I did not do too bad considering white is EGF 4dan.
White 138 was a great tesuji that I would have never seen.
I also misread the continuation which was rather disappointing.
This misread resulted in the mess in the top right.
At move 213 I entered overtime and filled the ko because there
was no time left to do anything else. That basically ended the game...

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Post #2 Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:40 pm 
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I'm going out on a limb here, being that you are rated several stones stronger than I, but I think that you lost your sense of direction. Several times.

7: Q8 is a beautiful move. It is dual purpose: a pincer and an extension from your upper left shimari...

9: ...but you choose a joseki in which the only locally good move is to abandon it.


One of the tradional main lines would keep the pincer stone healthy and useful. Like this:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 7 X 6 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


...or this:


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 5 . X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



29: I would have haned here. You have a serious fight brewing and you need to play aggresively. Getting squashed low on the bottom of the board leaves white too much play.


39: Cutting at K5 may be premature. I'd cut at H5 first to make the black group stronger. O3 may come in useful.

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Post #3 Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 5:19 am 
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Thanks. Those were some nice points you made.

7 is a normal move. indeed usually followed by one of the variation you showed.

The variation I played is one of my personal favorite joseki's in which I know how to trick hight level opponents
that is the reason I played it.

I think my kosumi's to the center, saving the cutting stones might have been bad.
I thought I could not just give cutting stones away. but something like below might have been better.
What do you think ?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


29: I thought about hane here, but thought I should not push white to my weak center stones.
But maybe white can not attack since he is still cut himself. I was not sure and decided
not to risk it against a stronger player. Maybe I should have.

39: I think you are right. your suggestion would have simplified the game a lot.
black would get strong and make sure the left center does not become a white moyo.
It also solves the problem with the D11 stone which ended up way too heavy.
Once black is strong on the bottom O3 is indeed a nice honte move that solidifies blacks position.
I had looked at O3, but I underestimated the aji in the bottom right corner.

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Post #4 Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 7:02 am 
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freegame wrote:
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I think my kosumi's to the center, saving the cutting stones might have been bad.
I thought I could not just give cutting stones away. but something like below might have been better.
What do you think ?


Once you make the choice to bump with Q4, your variation seems as good as any. I think it is the best that you can do in a bad situation.

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