After doing a database search, I retract my complaint about
. The large knight's play is more common, but the diagonal is played by pros also.
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| Author: | Coyote [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | CLIG Game |
Although I won this game I'd love a review. This was for the Canadian League Internet Go league. I felt very behind in the beginning. |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
4: if you want to play 3-4, play R4. Q3 lets black get a nice approach with support from the Q16 stone. 6: I think just take the corner with R4. 8: why this one and not F17 or C14? I think if black pincers you're helping the R6 stones, which have a weird shape now. 22: I still prefer white here i think, black seems a bit confused. 24: G3 is the move here. C5 doesn't completely give you the corner, and doesn't help the bottom. 48: I'd rather see J4 or thereabouts. In spite of these criticisms, I think white won this game rather easily. |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
After doing a database search, I retract my complaint about . The large knight's play is more common, but the diagonal is played by pros also.
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| Author: | EdLee [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:45 am ] |
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W 114. W 156. |
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| Author: | Coyote [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Going in reverse order: EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156. Emeraldemon: #4 is something I've had trouble with. I like to open with a 4-4 followed by a 3-4. The intention is to become familiar with these instead of doing random stuff all the time. However, I'm never sure where to put the 3-4. #6 I'll spend some time reading out. I was afraid of an aggressive attack. I'll read it out and see if I should be worried, then if it happens again I'll be more confident. thanks for the feedback. It was a big white victory but I still like to get reviews because at my level there are always still plenty of mistakes. |
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| Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Consider just the most common 3-4 joseki: Does it feel to you like  is getting help from the black star point and working well with that stone? This sort of thing is why that 3-4 is considered not so good for white. Of course white doesn't have to play this joseki, but a good player will be able to make use of the 4-4 regardless.On the other hand, for black a 3-4 facing white is good, because black has sente to take advantage of it: Again this is only one way it could go, but black is able to actively use the 3-4 starting with  , so it's a different position.Like I said before, if you want to have 4-4 and 3-4 as white, this is the better way: Compare what happens with the same joseki: |
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| Author: | mitsun [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
At your level, I would not worry much about fine points in the opening. Your fuseki is already good enough that the game will certainly be decided by later mistakes  That said, I do think  is a slight mistake, which got an undeserved good result after B responded passively. Go strategy is all about maximizing the efficiency of previously played stones. In this game, B has played an unusual move at P8. If B gets to use this stone to attack or to make territory on the right, it will become a good (efficient) move, while if W makes an easy base on the right side, it will become a poor (inefficient) move. So  should certainly be a pincer, probably at R12. should T3 to keep the entire corner. Please read this out and verify that B cannot do anything here. is very thin and does not protect the cutting point Q11. Moreover, it looks like an attacking move against the B position below, but that group is already too strong to be affected. So what is the strategic purpose of this move?The sequence  through  won the game for W. B played mostly on dame and expanded his territory by only a few points, while allowing W to play useful moves which solidified more than 20 points of real territory.
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| Author: | Mef [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Coyote wrote: Going in reverse order: EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156. To save Ed a post -- There is a better play for W156, keep looking (= |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Mef wrote: Coyote wrote: Going in reverse order: EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156. To save Ed a post -- There is a better play for W156, keep looking (= I see it -- but I won't spoil the fun (yet)
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| Author: | Coyote [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Going to the other side with S10? |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLIG Game |
Coyote wrote: Going to the other side with S10? huge |
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