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Author: | MattMiller [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | was my enclosure too loose? |
can anyone give some fuseki help? in particular the bottom right and side. i tried a new enclosure (for me) with Q3 and Q5, but dont know if my stone at R10 was farther away than it should be to solidify that, or if i just handled the invasion badly. but he successfully invaded. |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: was my enclosure too loose? |
We could talk about the merit of individual moves in the sequence, but instead let's just look at the result after :48:. Yes, white's alive, but his group has only about 5 points of territory. You don't have territory in that area, but by getting stones such as S12, you have significantly reduced his corner territory (for instance, in endgame you can monkey jump into the corner). You also have gotten much stronger on the outside and this might allow you to make a large center area with a move such as P14 or P13 (your move on the left side for ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Overall, the main problem wasn't with the invasion living - invasions often will - it's with you thinking of the right-side as your definitive territory and getting upset when white invaded rather than paying attention to the profit you got on the outside as a result of white's invasion. Letting your opponent live while still profiting from their invasion is a difficult concept to grasp, but I feel this game actually serves as a pretty good example of how to do it. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: was my enclosure too loose? |
MattMiller wrote: can anyone give some fuseki help? in particular the bottom right and side. i tried a new enclosure (for me) with Q3 and Q5, but dont know if my stone at R10 was farther away than it should be to solidify that, The extension to R-10 is fine. But do not expect it to make solid territory. Making solid territory by yourself is too slow. During the opening what you want to do is to make frameworks with such extensions. Quote: or if i just handled the invasion badly. but he successfully invaded. While you could have handled the invasion better, White was not successful. Yes, he lived, but it was small life and he solidified the Black corner and yielded a lot of outer influence. It is no surprise that Black won big. ![]() One possibility after the invasion at R-08 is to attack while making territory with a pincer at R-06. Then if White runs out, to extend to R-12, making a base and threatening the White corner. |
Author: | billywoods [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: was my enclosure too loose? |
If the black corner looked solid after ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If the purpose of large extensions confuses you, you may find it useful to study a well-known opening like sanrensei or the Chinese opening(s), which show clearly the danger that white can get into by jumping into reasonably thin frameworks early (and hopefully also the danger that black can get into by waiting too long to solidify them). |
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