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Author: | alejo [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:23 am ] | ||
Post subject: | How to deal with invasions | ||
Yesterday I played a game against a KGS 3 kyu. I though the fuseki favoured me, specially on the left side. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to kill the invading stone or gain profit by attacking it. In the end, I made some silly mistakes after failing to kill white... Would someone enlighten me about how should I have attacked it?? If it's not killable, how should I have got some benefit while attacking? Thank you PD: Should I use profit or benefit? (I'm not a native English speaker)
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Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:44 am ] |
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Author: | alejo [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to deal with invasions |
Thank you for your comments and variations. However, I cannot find a good continuation for you suggestion ![]() Definitely ![]() ![]() |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:19 am ] |
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The idea of the ![]() ![]() Just an idea -- I could be wrong. |
Author: | mitsun [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to deal with invasions |
I think you need more practice fighting. When you have a local advantage, do not let your opponent off by playing mild defensive moves, instead look for a strong attack. Examples from the game: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() :b119: should be at N16 for safety. Killing the two W cutting stones would be enough to win. Live and let die. NB) In casual English, you can profit (or gain profit) from a profitable attack, which provides either direct profit or indirect benefits. It would sound a little strange to say you can benefit (or gain benefits) from a beneficial attack, but we would all get the idea ![]() |
Author: | alejo [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to deal with invasions |
mitsun wrote: I think you need more practice fighting. When you have a local advantage, do not let your opponent off by playing mild defensive moves, instead look for a strong attack. Examples from the game: ![]() ![]() I've recently climbed over the 6k wall, and reached 4-5k. This was my second game against a 3k so I was too scaried to play certain moves or my rival playing them. Therefore, I played too submissively here. On the previous review, other users pointed out my lack of sente control, specially during fuseki. Believe it or not, I try to think of it while playing... mitsun wrote: ![]() This was the move that annoyed me the most and didn't not how to handle it. F10 was the move I was looking for. Thank you. Since I couldn't come up with E5 either, I played C5... ![]() mitsun wrote: ![]() I read H3 and I thought that giving up the J4 stone wouldn't be a good idea... Certainly, ![]() mitsun wrote: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I read that L13 would led me into trouble with so many cutting points around... wanted to play safely here... mitsun wrote: :b119: should be at N16 for safety. Killing the two W cutting stones would be enough to win. Live and let die. In the end, the easiest option was the best one mitsun wrote: NB) In casual English, you can profit (or gain profit) from a profitable attack, which provides either direct profit or indirect benefits. It would sound a little strange to say you can benefit (or gain benefits) from a beneficial attack, but we would all get the idea ![]() Thank you for your lesson, it's been very profitable ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Uberdude [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to deal with invasions |
alejo wrote: mitsun wrote: ![]() This was the move that annoyed me the most and didn't not how to handle it. F10 was the move I was looking for. Thank you. Since I couldn't come up with E5 either, I played C5... ![]() Actually I think the best answer to d11 is tenuki. It's just such a load of nonsense that doesn't even threaten to cut you (thanks to your slow move at b13) so you should ignore it and play the absolutely huge and severe o4 double high approach. Of course given your opponent is silly enough to play it in the first place if you cap he will probably run and give you thickness instead of being sensible, recognise his mistake, and play the o4 urgent point himself. P.S. tenuki-ing invasions seems to be my latest fad, see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9495. That invasion was sensible and reasonable though, just probably too early. |
Author: | alejo [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: How to deal with invasions |
Uberdude wrote: Actually I think the best answer to d11 is tenuki. It's just such a load of nonsense that doesn't even threaten to cut you (thanks to your slow move at b13) so you should ignore it and play the absolutely huge and severe o4 double high approach. Of course given your opponent is silly enough to play it in the first place if you cap he will probably run and give you thickness instead of being sensible, recognise his mistake, and play the o4 urgent point himself. P.S. tenuki-ing invasions seems to be my latest fad, see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9495. That invasion was sensible and reasonable though, just probably too early. Since he is silly enough to play it and even escape, I'm sillier ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So, it's either F10 or tenuki at O4... I'll try to be more aggressive whike playing tenuki if there is no good move available... Thank you all!!! |
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