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Author: | fwiffo [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Weirdish position |
A position analogous to this appeared in one of my games recently. If white wants to force black to connect at a (filling in a point of territory), she needs to capture at b before filling the dame point c. Likewise, black could atari, to force a capture at b, but would then need to connect at a afterwards. Or, both players could be apathetic and just let the situation be at the end of the game. I suppose it's moot for scoring purposes, so it's a net zero points, and therefore not worth playing by either player, but are a and b territory then? Again, it's moot because it's net zero points, but are they technically required to play? (e.g. during the dame-filling stage in Japanese rules) |
Author: | RobertJasiek [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Weirdish position |
Area scoring: A player wishing to get C needs to play before scoring. Territory scoring: It depends on the ruleset. In particular J1989 / J2003: C is a dame so that either adjacent "group" is in-seki and there is no territory on the board yet. Verbal Japanese Rules are more liberal. |
Author: | freegame [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Weirdish position |
It's Teire Dame I think. |
Author: | fwiffo [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Weirdish position |
Thanks, that makes sense. |
Author: | willemien [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Weirdish position |
I like the Ikeda area III rules http://senseis.xmp.net/?IkedasRule and here is my analyse of the position using these rules. All have the startingpoint that there have been no passes before. (under these rules white get a point more if he passes first, but in a rather complex way, i keep here to the original description) I don't claim to be an expert here so please comment than we can all learn together ![]() I think the main playouts to concider are: 1a) - Black to move Bpass - Wb- Bpass-Wc- Ba result (after removing dead stones) so white 37 area black 19 area Difference 18 to white 1b) - Black to move -Ba - Wb- Bpass-Wc result (after removing dead stones) white 37 area black 19 area difference 18 to white 1c) - Black to move Ba - Wb- Bc-Wpass result (after removing dead stones) white 36 area + 1/2 point for white passing first black 20 area - 1/2 point for white passing first so white 36 1/2 point black 19 1/2 point difference 17 to white 2a) - White to move Wb- Bpass-Wc- Ba result (after removing dead stones) white 36 area + 1/2 point for white passing first black 20 area - 1/2 point for white passing first so white 36 1/2 point black 19 1/2 point difference 17 to white 2b) - White to move Wpass- Ba-Wb- Bc result (after removing dead stones) white 36 area + 1/2 point for white passing first black 20 area - 1/2 point for white passing first so white 36 1/2 point black 19 1/2 point difference 17 to white So taking these all for black best is to play Ba followed by Bc And for white passing or capturing makes no difference. but do ![]() |
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