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Author:  SumaW [ Thu May 15, 2014 5:16 pm ]
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Hello, guys! I'm Suma, and I want to work my way to Shodan within a year. I play 14k IGS, 12k KGS, and 13k WBaduk.

Study Plan:

30 problems on Monday (L&D)
15 problems Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. (Tesuji)
Practice Joseki and Fuseki for 30 minutes- Friday.
5 games a week. (Try for 1 on KGS, 3 on IGS, 1 on WBaduk, every other weekend 10 KGS).
This may not be so consistent, as I have school.

Author:  DrStraw [ Thu May 15, 2014 5:33 pm ]
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How refreshing to met a young person who is not aiming for professional in two years!

Author:  SumaW [ Thu May 15, 2014 5:34 pm ]
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Just played a KGS game, will break the rules for this week and as I have a computer right now, play a bunch of KGS. This game brought me down to 14k?
Completely misread in upper left, all of it died, and failed to beat the bottom right, so resigned as I would've lost anyway.

Author:  EdLee [ Thu May 15, 2014 5:59 pm ]
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Author:  Abyssinica [ Thu May 15, 2014 6:15 pm ]
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If you're splitting tsumego by day, why not do tesuji instead of 100% life and death?

Author:  SumaW [ Thu May 15, 2014 6:16 pm ]
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Abyssinica wrote:
If you're splitting tsumego by day, why not do tesuji instead of 100% life and death?

That would help out. Thanks!

Author:  SumaW [ Fri May 16, 2014 3:24 pm ]
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Just joined Tygem, will play same times as KGS. My next game will be after my first Tygem game! Feel free to leave comments and tips on any game! Farewell!

EDIT: I LIED! KGS comes first, as I can't get a good game on Tygem.

Author:  SumaW [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:17 pm ]
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Big mistakes. I really need to learn some better techniques. Please post some comments!

Author:  EdLee [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:24 pm ]
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Did you look at the notes for the last game yet ?

Author:  oren [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:26 pm ]
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SumaW wrote:
Big mistakes. I really need to learn some better techniques. Please post some comments!


120 moves in 10 min. That is not enough time spent thinking.

Author:  SumaW [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:28 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Did you look at the notes for the last game yet ?
Yep.
oren wrote:
SumaW wrote:
Big mistakes. I really need to learn some better techniques. Please post some comments!


120 moves in 10 min. That is not enough time spent thinking.


I wanted a quick game, I suppose.

Author:  DrStraw [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:41 pm ]
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SumaW wrote:

I wanted a quick game, I suppose.


It is wasting everyone's time posting games in which anyone who responds with suggestions has to spend more time responding than you spent thinking.

At least have the courtesy to spend more time thinking than what will be required by anyone responding.

Author:  SumaW [ Fri May 16, 2014 4:56 pm ]
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DrStraw wrote:
SumaW wrote:

I wanted a quick game, I suppose.


It is wasting everyone's time posting games in which anyone who responds with suggestions has to spend more time responding than you spent thinking.

At least have the courtesy to spend more time thinking than what will be required by anyone responding.


A reason I played fast and replied slow is I had something I had to do quickly, but I wanted some practice, then some suggestions.

Author:  EdLee [ Fri May 16, 2014 5:44 pm ]
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SumaW wrote:
A reason I played fast and replied slow is I had something I had to do quickly, but I wanted some practice, then some suggestions.
Please stop making excuses and re-read what others wrote.
You can practice all the blitz you want,
and you did get your suggestions: see the notes in the SGF, and re-read what DrStraw wrote.

Please stop wasting people's time. If you want to play blitz, play all you want, but don't ask for comments.

At your level, I recommend you just play, play, and play. Play tons of games. Play 100 games.
What you need the most now is experience.

Author:  SumaW [ Fri May 16, 2014 6:15 pm ]
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Honestly, I don't want this stuff on a study thing. I just had to take a few pieces of trash (A loveseat and some garbage) so please don't comment this. And back to the topic, I suppose I do need some experience as I haven't played much in a while. I need to get on track.

Author:  Marcus [ Tue May 20, 2014 5:33 pm ]
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Hi, Suma!

I can understand some of your frustration in the comments from some of the stronger players (as they do come off as a little bit harsh). Please understand that these players have the best of intentions towards you. It's often hard to get a newer Go player to slow down and concentrate on the advice given, leading to endless loops of the same advice over and over. Those that have been around for quite a while on this forum spend quite a bit of time reviewing games, and often there is little appreciation shown for the time taken to review (many of these players will spend an hour or more examining your game if they feel you've taken the time to try and understand your own mistakes and feel that their effort will be of good use).

Now, let's put some of that behind us and talk about two things:

1) Taking your time

The main reason that you are hearing multiple reviewers talk about this is because going quickly means thoughtless mistakes. It is not useful for you or for the reviewer to try and identify which mistakes were made because you weren't thinking and which mistakes are genuine gaps in your understanding.

For this reason, posting games that you played very quickly in are not good candidates for whole reviews. With this type of game, you are better off taking a good amount of time reviewing it yourself and then asking very specific questions about positions, rather than the whole game. You will still probably get less out of this than you would out of a good review of a thoughful (long time-settings) game.

So, my advice to you in this respect would be to look at all your games yourself and try to answer your own questions about it, then post your specific questions and any thoughts you might have.

If you want a full review for a game, decide that before the game and try to take all your allotted time to avoid thoughtless mistakes.

2) This particular game

I did, in fact, look through your game. As a more intuitive-style player, I'm not really a great reviewer, so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. That being said, I'll highlight some of your moves and try to give some pointers on the opening part of the game ...

:w3: --- not a big deal, but I would have approached the upper left 3-4 stone ( :b2: ) instead of making the approach you made to the 4-4 handicap stone. Probably more a stylistic difference than anything ...

:w5: --- This is what I would call a "slow" move. It is very close to your other stone, making them VERY strong ... but gaining very little in terms of points.

:w7: --- A waste ... as black, I would have ignored you and taken a bigger point on the board (like C15). As White, I would have taken C15 or D15 myself instead of playing in this corner again.

:w9: --- More waste, and bad shape. Black already has R16, so your shape is already asking to be broken.

:w11: --- This is the right cut to defend in normal circumstances, but it's so small now ... you have a clump of stones in the upper right, each crowding in on each other ... there's so much space all over the board. D15 or C15 is currently a huge and urgent point.

:w13: --- This is far too small ... you now have 6 stones defending a terribly small piece of territory (your Q4 stone is too far to support these, as you saw later when your opponent invaded). By contrast, your opponent has a solid 15+ points in the corner that you cannot invade. :b14: then takes the big move at C15 (which should have been taken much earlier by either player), leaving you well behind already, and we haven't even reached the 20th move. You could let Black cut at S14. To do so is gote for Black, and very small at this point in the game.

:w15: --- A nice, big move. I like this, though some might say you're reaching too far. I think that since you gave up so much in the upper right, you need this kind of big, aggressive move. Another good option would have been to play right at F3, starting a fight.

:w17: --- Now you make another small move. On a board like this, you might consider C9, which splits Black's left side with enough space to extend to either C6 or C12, depending on which side Black approaches you from.

Those are my suggestions. It took me 30 minutes just to review the first 20 moves for you, and there's probably far more I could say if I had more time. Briefly glancing through the game, I think you would benefit more from some solid teaching games with a good teacher, rather than haphazard reviews on games that are a mess by move 20.

Author:  Shaddy [ Tue May 20, 2014 6:38 pm ]
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There's no reason to yell at SumaW for asking for comments on a blitz game. If you don't want to comment the game, don't comment it. Anyway, here's my comments..


Author:  SumaW [ Mon May 26, 2014 6:16 am ]
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Thank you, I'll take the tips. I've been studying problems and teaching my sister how to play. I'll play more games at the end of this week.

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