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Author: | Twitchy Go [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Twitchy's Corner |
I have set a goal for shodan by November 14th or sooner. I am currently a 12 kyu KGS. This fits in with my preferred method of learning of leaping into the boiling shark infested water and hoping for the best ![]() My current lesson plan is to: Do Life & Death for at least 30 min a day Study the books: Suji and antisuji of Go Shape up Opening theory made easy Fundamental principles of Go Later volumes of Learn to play Go This will be done until there ideas become intrinsic. I will study which ever I feel like at the time, but they are probably enough to make it to 1 dan with beyond problem books. Work on learning techniques from sensei's, more complicated L&D groups, good shape. and fuseki And of course playing and reviewing games. Additionally I will be replaying one of Go Seigen's games 5 times a day, then moving onto a new one the next day. Hopefully I'll learn something from this by osmotic factors, but I am just doing it because it is fun. I'd do more but it would cause annoying conflict with other people in my house ![]() I'll be posting at least some of my games on this journal.. This is more so I can see how my thinking is evolving then anything else. I would be greatly indebted to any reviewers, but don't feel pressured. |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:42 pm ] |
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EdLee suggested defining in my own words the go concepts of Influence and Lightly. So here is my definition(along with a few others), please let me know If I'm way off the mark Influence Light Lightly Heavy Equivalence Potential That's how I see it at least |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:33 pm ] |
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Twitchy Go, Nice efforts! ![]() |
Author: | SoDesuNe [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:56 am ] |
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Twitchy Go wrote: Heavy It's more popular to say that stones are "heavy" when they lack eye-shape (despite consisting of a bunch of stones), respectively have bad shape (e.g. dumbling) and thus can be easily attacked by the opponent (Proverb: A weak group is -30 points). Quite often those stones resulting from invading your opponents framework and handling the situation inefficiently, e.g. not lightly. I would not say, that one stone can feel heavy. One stone can easily be sacrificied, in itself it's just a two-point-loss (prisoner and territory beneath the stones - japanese counting). Your definition sounds a lot like "What are important stones?". Cutting stones are in general very important. |
Author: | Boidhre [ Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
Good luck! You're doing something very similar to what I am doing, though with more free time I imagine! I'll be following this thread with interest. ![]() |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
@EdLee ![]() ![]() @SoDesuNe Lack of eye space makes sense. Perhaps a better explanation for a single stone being heavy(IMO) is letting a stone become useless? Playing an incorrect response and then having to frantically work to keep your approach move on the corner alive. Sacrificing it seems like it would set you back alot if it was an approach move. @Boidhre Well I certainly hope I'm interesting enough to hold your interest ![]() Your also doing a journal? Well I'll check it out when this week of school dies down, been way to busy for more then a few forum forays. |
Author: | Magicwand [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
my definition of light: group of stone that are not easily attacked in one attack move because they will leave aji behind. |
Author: | SoDesuNe [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:50 am ] |
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Twitchy Go wrote: @SoDesuNe Lack of eye space makes sense. Perhaps a better explanation for a single stone being heavy(IMO) is letting a stone become useless? Playing an incorrect response and then having to frantically work to keep your approach move on the corner alive. Sacrificing it seems like it would set you back alot if it was an approach move. An approach move can very often be regarded as a forcing move and based on your opponents reaction you e.g. play a certain opening or just take another big point. If your opponent plays more moves to render your initial approach move useless, you will get Sente everytime since you don't have to answer. Of course this gets complex (timing!) but as long as following up in the corner is not the biggest/most urgent move on the board both player should keep away. Letting a stone become useless sounds like a "Thank you!"-move to me. Your stone forces your opponent into a shape he is very comfortable with and thus doesn't benefit you. |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
Thank you for everyone's thoughts on Go terms, it has been informative. And EdLee... I think I'll get back to you on the follow up questions in 5-6 stones because right now I am stumped. If you feel I would benefit from it feel free to share your answers. But I believe the point was that influence is not something I should worry about just yet. Anyhooo, first game on KGS since creating this little hidey hole. So i put down some thoughts on some of my moves, and the sgf follows. I think I played a bit to passively. The game is against a friend of mine of a similar rank. Ended up losing by komi ![]() For your viewing entertainment!! Or as much entertainment as is attainable from a lowly DDK. ![]() |
Author: | jts [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:59 am ] |
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Thoughts on the game: On influence: |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
Well I'm familiar with the fact that the third line is the line of territory and the fourth is the line of influence. The theory being that its hard to press down the 4th line but its invadable. The 3rd line might get pressed down but You'll live with enough territory to be happy. 2nd and 1st line moves are endgame for finallizing the position. If I'm not rock solid on the strength/weaknesses I'd appreciate others insight. I felt that I was ahead and played to settle the shape. That said, a hane above the stone would have been best in all 3 cases mentioned, correct? Of course I will continue to use influence. The not worying about it is more in the context of teaching others about influence. I thought hard about those questions and decided that I couldn't discern any principles I would use to capitilize on influence. Therefore it is something I would not feel comfortable teaching, does that make sense? As a final note, I don't think I'll ever forget the bar brawl analogy. It made sense when he was slipping into the bathroom... but fleeing the state is whats burned it into my memory. ![]() |
Author: | EdLee [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:01 pm ] |
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Twitchy Go, Sorry for the delay -- I just flew across the globe 2 days ago (emergency matter, sorry! ![]() As for The-Jargon-Which-Should-Not-Be-Named ![]() even one single muscle involved (are there hundreds or thousands? I have no idea), but I still walk. (Same with jts -- all I know is it has something to do with dino-juice -- and even that is about to change, I hear ![]() Twitchy Go, your conclusion about teaching TJWSNBN, you're right on! ![]() |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
I decided that this post was unjustifiably whiney. And not really based in anything I should be mad about. I've since calmed down from what made me grumpy in the first place... and after having a chance to talk with the person in question; feel that I should at the least spend some serious time thinking about how I might teach a weaker player. While I find the comments hidden to be generally embarrassing and not really something that needs to be in a study journal. I also feel that deleting the post would be running away from a stupid moment on my part. As such I have hidden the post. I'm probably being overly apologetic here. But venting on a forum board/face book is just so uncharacteristically me... I'm in a very confused state about how I ended up breaking all my rules to post in the first place. ![]() The dragon hunt. For your viewing pleasure. ![]() The game is however still something I'd like to share. This was a fun fellow to play against. It was very hard to keep from being sucked into his pace and overextending. If your around the 12-14 kyu range try hitting scyclow up for a good game! Edit: I promise to stay on focus with my study journal from now on. Although I can't promise I won't complain at times. Getting my grievances out in the open, in this case, definitely turned out very well for me. I might have made a fool of my self, but embarrassing memories are good learning tools. My teaching style will be under going serious revisions as a result of this episode. How much? I'm still thinking. But as a 12 kyu I have rather limited knowledge to begin with, so taking time off teaching to contemplate this won't be a loss to the community. ![]() Thank you all for putting up with my crazy roller coaster of a post for the past day. ![]() |
Author: | EdLee [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:27 am ] |
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Author: | Twitchy Go [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
@Edlee Whoa ![]() How did I not see that.. |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Tue May 08, 2012 4:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
Well I've just finished reading through Attack and Defense, which was a very interesting. And I've been working on 1001 L&D problems. I often go to the local Go club Mondays and Wednesdays. And yesterday I played one heckuva game with another club goer. We are approximately the same rank and stayed on that single game from 7:15 to 10:30. I lost by 0.5 points after Komi was added to my score. Of course it was mostly my fault that I lost. I, as usual, kept trying what looked like fun. More so then what was going to guarantee a win. ![]() Also I started a Malkovitch game with Wanderling(10k) so we'll see how that goes. |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Wed May 09, 2012 10:28 pm ] | ||
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Went to the local Go club today, and got to play a great game! My opponent for the evening is a 9k on IGS(what would that translate to roughly on kgs? He thought 6k.) Anyway he graciously agreed to play an even game with me ![]() His initial proffered set up was a 3 stone handi... but I don't think he'll give me that anymore ![]() I have felt really great about the last few games I've played. I think I've definitely moved up a stone.. but can't verify because I haven't had KGS time.Pretty slow game so we had thinking time I would really appreciate some comments on this one. . Regardless, I would hope it will prove an interesting match to all who take the time to flip through the kifu!
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Author: | EdLee [ Wed May 09, 2012 10:51 pm ] |
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Basics. Basic shapes. Broken (Fractured) shapes. |
Author: | Twitchy Go [ Thu May 10, 2012 5:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Twitchy's Corner |
@edlee |
Author: | EdLee [ Thu May 10, 2012 9:21 am ] |
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Twitchy Go wrote: Trying to keep W from pushing through would have gotten dangerous. No, you must block W, even if you die. If you die, it's not because you block W, it's because of earlier mistakes.Right now you want to learn to recognize broken shapes (just like ataris). That's a first step. |
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