It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:06 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #1 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:32 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1161
Location: VA, USA
Liked others: 183
Was liked: 100
Rank: KGS 6k
Universal go server handle: hailthorn
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c This is a label for the diagram.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X . Q Q Q X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black to capture marked stones.

_________________
Slava Ukraini!

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #2 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:00 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2116
Location: Silicon Valley
Liked others: 152
Was liked: 330
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
At first I was like, hey, you don't have to find the liberty gaining move at K2 to solve it. Then I was like, ah, yes you do...

I think it's harder to find white's strongest resistance than it is to find the right move for black...

_________________
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #3 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:55 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
daniel_the_smith wrote:
At first I was like, hey, you don't have to find the liberty gaining move at K2 to solve it. Then I was like, ah, yes you do...


This is the best I see for both sides.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c My attempt
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #4 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:44 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1161
Location: VA, USA
Liked others: 183
Was liked: 100
Rank: KGS 6k
Universal go server handle: hailthorn
Chew Terr wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
At first I was like, hey, you don't have to find the liberty gaining move at K2 to solve it. Then I was like, ah, yes you do...


This is the best I see for both sides.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c My attempt
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've looked at this, but I can't see how B captures those stones. It's a tough problem, obviously, but SmartGo seems to have a lot of awkward life and death problems. It says you can capture those stones, but if you play it out further than SmartGo allows, B clearly dies. But then again, this is a 3k problem so maybe it's just beyond me. But, I couldn't figure it out.


But, you solved it right according to SmartGo, by the way, so you've earned 6 Club Points!

_________________
Slava Ukraini!

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #5 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:47 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1744
Liked others: 702
Was liked: 288
KGS: greendemon
Tygem: greendemon
DGS: smaragdaemon
OGS: emeraldemon
@Hailthorn:

Could you show where you're getting stuck? Chew's sequence looks right to me...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #6 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:52 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1161
Location: VA, USA
Liked others: 183
Was liked: 100
Rank: KGS 6k
Universal go server handle: hailthorn
emeraldemon wrote:
@Hailthorn:

Could you show where you're getting stuck? Chew's sequence looks right to me...


It was right. That's the answer SmartGo displays. But I don't understand how it captures. It seems like B dies in that situation. Keep in mind, I'm only a 9k, so I'm probably missing something. :scratch:

_________________
Slava Ukraini!

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #7 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:55 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1744
Liked others: 702
Was liked: 288
KGS: greendemon
Tygem: greendemon
DGS: smaragdaemon
OGS: emeraldemon
Why do you say "It seems like B dies"?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X O O X X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 4 X 5 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #8 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:59 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2116
Location: Silicon Valley
Liked others: 152
Was liked: 330
Rank: 2d AGA
GD Posts: 1193
KGS: lavalamp
Tygem: imapenguin
IGS: lavalamp
OGS: daniel_the_smith
Chew Terr wrote:
This is the best I see for both sides.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c My attempt
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, that's the sequence I had in mind. Although, 7 doesn't need to play a snapback. Not that it matters.

For hailthorn:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c White can't play at 'a' (self-atari)
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 5 O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 3 2 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Therefore, black's stones will all live after he captures the four white stones on the right, and white's stones will not be able to get eyes, therefore they are just dead.

Does that help?

_________________
That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
--
My (sadly neglected, but not forgotten) project: http://dailyjoseki.com

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #9 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:05 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1161
Location: VA, USA
Liked others: 183
Was liked: 100
Rank: KGS 6k
Universal go server handle: hailthorn
Now I understand! Thanks. Sorry, I guess I wasn't seeing the whole board clearly, and was only focusing on that one little area. I hadn't even considered the right side. Thanks for clearing it up! :salute:

_________________
Slava Ukraini!

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #10 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:07 pm 
Dies in gote

Posts: 28
Liked others: 9
Was liked: 6
GD Posts: 20
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Ko?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 2 Q Q Q X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 4 3 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #11 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:14 pm 
Lives in gote

Posts: 502
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 153
Rank: KGS 2k
GD Posts: 100
KGS: Tryss
@Oroth :
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Not ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X O Q Q Q X O 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . X X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #12 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:24 pm 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 924
Location: Pittsburgh
Liked others: 45
Was liked: 103
Rank: lazy
KGS: redundant/silchas
Tygem: redundant
Wbaduk: redundant
DGS: redundant
OGS: redundant
@Oroth

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c This is a label for the diagram.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Q Q X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O O X X . . Q X X X O |
$$ | . . . , . . . O X X . X 4 Q Q Q X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O O X X O X Q X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X Q X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 X X . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Daily Tsumego #2 (14k-3k)
Post #13 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:25 pm 
Dies in gote

Posts: 28
Liked others: 9
Was liked: 6
GD Posts: 20
Thanks, missed that :oops:

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group