L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

stalkor · **#181**

i still haven't played against psychee, i've been on vacation last week. i hope to have time to play him this week.

Phelan · **#182**

I also haven't played Chew Terr, we missed each other last weekend.

Joaz Banbeck · **#183**

Oren and I are schedulred to play at 8:00PM, California time, a little less than 2 hours from now

Phelan · **#184**

Chew and I will be playing now.

Chew Terr · **#185**

Phelan fought very strongly after clobbering me in the opening. I managed to cobble together a large framework and defend it to win. Thank you very much for the game, Phelan!

I will look over the game later, but first, lunch!

Phelan · **#186**

Thank you too!

I think I made a major mistake by connecting K15 instead of K17 at move 31. That and 35 allowed you to push my group around and get that thickness towards the middle.

I would love to know if stronger players agree with me as to the turning point of the game, or if I could have gotten back after that.

P.S. - I just love playing tournaments, wish I still had more games.

gaius · **#187**

Phelan: I completely agree with your analysis of :b31:

. But I think :b37:

actually turns the tables a bit. In fact, I think that :w36:

was a big mistake, because it allows you to play :b37:

. Instead of :w36:

, white should just extend at N12. Then black's top group is dead, black's left group is very weak, and black's moyo is also weakened; in short, disaster for black.

After :b61:

, white's wall still has a couple of cutting points, so I think the game is still kind of playable for black.

Solomon · **#188**

iirc,

is a move that's discussed in "Compendium of Trick Plays". Why I remember this I do not know, but the best way to handle that move is quite simple: suck the base out of both Black groups and play the 3-3.

stalkor · **#189**

playing today(between now and half an hour) with psychee (finally!)

stalkor · **#190**

We played our match just now.

I played a terrible opening and managed to sneak in a kill in the end to make psychee resign. I felt overall really bad about this game, i can play so much better but i just couldnt make it happen.

thanks psychee for the game

Joaz Banbeck · **#191**

Oren and I plan to play at at 3:00 UTC. That is little over an hour from now.

Joaz Banbeck · **#192**

Oren and I played. Although I won in the end, my opening seemed slack somehow. At move 38, Araban comments that it seems equal, and I can't say that I am clearly ahead, though I should be as I am ranked several stones higher. Any improvements for black for the first 40 moves or so would be especially appreciated.

jts · **#193**

On

, did you consider a closer pincer? This is a situation where I would have preferred to block the other way at :b11:

, but I think you need support from the pincer stone to make that work. Also, at :b29:

, why not double hane?

I'm sure how you played is better, just brainstorming

Joaz Banbeck · **#194**

jts wrote:

On

, did you consider a closer pincer?

Yes, I considered it. I was trying to make the Q3/R3 invasion more difficult. Maybe I was trying to get too much with one stone.

jts wrote:

This is a situation where I would have preferred to block the other way at :b11:

, but I think you need support from the pincer stone to make that work.

My thinking was that my C14 stone may well be sacrificed/compromised to support an invasion at C17. But the Q5 stone is not going away. So the bottom seemed better than the left side for long-term large-scale adventures

jts wrote:

Also, at

, why not double hane?

I didn't like the cross cut at Q6 and extension to R6. It may be inferior for white, but it gives him fighting chances. Whereas with the line I played, black has no weak spots and lots of influence with O8 and P8, while white still has too worry about his group.

jts wrote:

I'm sure how you played is better...

Thanks...I'm not.

gaius · **#195**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

At move 38, Araban comments that it seems equal, and I can't say that I am clearly ahead, though I should be as I am ranked several stones higher.

I think playing with the idea that you "should be leading" is a bad idea, even if your several stones stronger. At least for me, this nagging feeling that I should come out ahead of any battle against a weaker opponent is the number 1 reason for losing unnecessarily against weaker players. Sometimes, they just play good moves and 50/50 is OK

BTW, I think :b29:

is to blame. I'm pretty sure that move should be a double hane, white can do almost nothing!

I'm not sure I like the bottom left result. How about this instead (just an idea):

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quantumf · **#196**

gaius wrote:

I think playing with the idea that you "should be leading" is a bad idea, even if your several stones stronger. At least for me, this nagging feeling that I should come out ahead of any battle against a weaker opponent is the number 1 reason for losing unnecessarily against weaker players. Sometimes, they just play good moves and 50/50 is OK

Note also that in a tournament players raise their game, particularly if they're the lower ranked player.

Magicwand · **#197**

if white cut as below...black will be in trouble.
i will have to think about why...but i know the answer is to cut.

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gaius · **#198**

Magicwand, I don't see the trouble yet... What can white do?

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Well, white can live in the corner. Woohoo, that's at least 2 points of cash in the pocket!

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ez4u · **#199**

Most analysis has White descending first and only cutting if Black descends in turn. See this page on SL. However the idea of blocking above and letting White turn is simply saying that Black blocked on the wrong side to begin with.

Magicwand · **#200**

that is why i told you that i have to think about it

your second diag is only possible in ddk relm.

so... how about below? i also have to think about this but..i am thinking it will be better for white than plain joseky.

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L19 2011/2012 tournament: PAIRINGS and RESULTS

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