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Author:  quantumf [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:50 am ]
Post subject:  KPMC 2013
The first round starts tomorrow, but I can find no information about this tournament. Does anyone know if there is a web site?
Author:  HermanHiddema [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
According to the invitation, it should be http://kpmc.or.kr/ but that's not working.
Author:  GoRo [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
I asked in the English Game Room of KGS:
Quote:
Sheriffi: there hasn't been a site for kpmc in couple years
Sheriffi: and there isn't one this year

Cheers,
Rainer
(GoChild GoRo with 1935517 points)
Author:  quantumf [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
Wow, it seems you're right. I can't see a site for 2012 at all.

All I know so far is that in round 1 Japan plays Denmark and South Africa plays Philippines.
Author:  dankenzon [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
As the WAGC has been improving and getting a bit better in online coverage, the KPMC has been moving to nothing.

And, considering that the next 2 WAGC will be held in South Korea, may be we can see this tournament ending.
Author:  quantumf [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
That question (of whether the KPMC would fall away when the WAGC was in South Korea) was asked at the recent IGF meeting, and the council hastened to answer that that was not intended or planned. I'm personally a little skeptical, as the justification for two essentially identical tournaments in the same country in the same year seems very low. I would not be surprised to see the KPMC fall away, at least for the next two years, even if for now the IGF are certain it will go ahead. If it falls away for two years, it's then unlikely to be resurrected, which will be very sad, as having two events of this nature is fantastic for international go.

I know the website is something the KPMC does not invest in, which is sad, but it does pay for flights, which in a sense makes it the more prestigious/attractive tournament, if you can ignore the more rushed nature of the actual games.
Author:  dankenzon [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
Yes, it pays air tickets BUT, actually for Latin America (and somebody here was told the policy is worldwide) the budget for tickets will be getting smaller.

For example this year Venezuela, Uruguay and Mexico weren't unable to assists because there was no flights in budget for them.

Costa Rica almost didn't get it but the player himself found a more affordable ticket and made the set up everything with KPMC in order to buy it.

So, PROBABLY if the KPMC is to stay, they will go as the WAGC: each player pays its ticket
Author:  quantumf [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
A slightly out of focus photo of the results (it's just about good enough to see how everyone did):

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Some of the players, in particular the USA representative, appear to have started with -1 points (or at least, one less than the "top" group). I don't really understand this. Does it have something to do with the USA's poor results last year (when a strong player was unable to attend)? The USA player won 5/6, but only came 16th.
Author:  Sverre [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
quantumf wrote:

Some of the players, in particular the USA representative, appear to have started with -1 points (or at least, one less than the "top" group). I don't really understand this. Does it have something to do with the USA's poor results last year (when a strong player was unable to attend)? The USA player won 5/6, but only came 16th.


When I was at KPMC in 2011, it was (IIRC) like a MacMahon tournament with two brackets, 4 dan and above starting at 1 point and 3 dan and below starting at 0. I guess they are using the same system but with the previous year's results as seed instead of using rank (In 2011 the top board for the first round was Korea vs Azerbaijan).
Author:  quantumf [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
Yes, I've had it confirmed from someone at the event there are two groups, and the groups are based on the previous year's results. Harsh, but to be fair, the USA rep didn't play any of the top players until later in the tournament, which goes some way to explaining his 5/6 result.
Author:  Jaafar [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
From European go database

; TC[W131012A]
; CL[B]
; EV[Korea Prime Minister Cup]
; PC[KR, Gumi]
; DT[2013-10-12,2013-10-13]
; HA[h9]
; KM[6.5]
; TM[67.5]
; CM[ (submitted by kamyszyn)]
;.
; Generated by OpenGotha 3.35
;
; Pl Name Rk Co Club MMS SOSSOSOS NBW
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2 Fu Li 7d CN xxx 6 32 156 5 14+ 43+ 9+ 5+ 4+ 1- |12849694
3 Lin Bill 7d CA Vanc 6 29 156 5 32+ 14+ 1- 10+ 20+ 12+ |16913215
4 Chan Chi-hin 6d HK xxx 6 29 156 5 6+ 32+ 18+ 15+ 2- 16+ |15913150
5 Emura Kikou 7d JP xxxx 6 27 157 5 23+ 26+ 8+ 2- 34+ 9+ |16933213
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9 Taechaamnuayvit Nuttakrit 5d TH xxx 5 27 142 4 30+ 53+ 2- 17+ 11+ 5- |15949153
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12 Palant Michael 5d DE B 5 25 146 4 13- 22+ 48+ 27+ 18+ 3- |10249250
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14 Do Khanh-Binh 5d VN xxx 5 25 135 4 2- 3- 46+ 31+ 49+ 22+ |16250157
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21 Qian Wei 6d AU xxx 4 25 138 4 8- 25+ 39+ 28+ 26+ 11- |14333748
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24 Salignon Jerome 6d FR 13Ma 4 24 131 3 11- 52+ 16- 41+ 27+ 8- |10825628
25 Yue Yi-Fei 5d SG xxxx 4 23 135 3 18- 21- 43+ 29+ 10- 38+ |15837690
26 Prist Kevin 3d BE Pant 4 23 133 3 15- 5- 47+ 37+ 21- 41+ |15274072
27 Butala Gregor 5d SI Ljub 4 22 129 3 38+ 16- 34+ 12- 24- 55+ |10433016
28 Aksut Husrev 2d TR Ank 4 21 132 3 19- 17- 45+ 21- 43+ 35+ |14649943
29 Krstic Dejan 4d RS BGmp 4 21 130 3 17- 55+ 10- 25- 42+ 34+ |10313127
30 Diamond Jon 4d UK NoCb 4 17 125 3 9- 34- 54+ 32- 58+ 33+ |12086316
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32 Mohd-Zaid Waqiyuddin 5d MY KLu 3 24 130 2 3- 4- 0+ 30+ 19- 31- |15025164
33 Habu Koichiro 4d PL Krak 3 23 130 2 20- 40+ 38+ 18- 16- 30- |10837827
34 Flood Jostein 4d NO Oslo 3 23 122 3 51+ 30+ 27- 38+ 5- 29- |10533369
35 Ott Sebastien 2d CH Kogo 3 21 129 3 49+ 61+ 13+ 7- 22- 28- |14986059
36 Goetzfried Andreas 4d LU Lux 3 20 124 3 42+ 60+ 7- 13- 51+ 23- |14033206
37 Tsolmon Sansar 4d MN Ulb 3 20 118 3 60+ 54+ 6- 26- 40+ 20- |13662825
38 Csizmadia Gyorgy 4d HU BuPe 3 19 124 2 27- 51+ 33- 34- 44+ 25- |12698928
39 Antonissen Agustin 2k CL VAL 3 18 116 3 52+ 8- 21- 44- 53+ 49+ |15986069
40 Tabares Santiago 3d AR Sau 3 18 113 3 44+ 33- 20- 45+ 37- 56+ |14825173
41 Predieri Fausto 1k IT RegE 3 17 121 3 59+ 50+ 23- 24- 48+ 26- |12833601
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43 Tumelis Giedrius 2d LT Kaun 3 17 116 3 0+ 2- 25- 52+ 28- 61+ |13813140
44 Vasiljevic Vedran 1d HR RiDm 3 17 111 3 40- 10- 60+ 39+ 38- 50+ |12833612
45 Samper Juan_Felipe 3d CO xxxx 3 16 111 3 61+ 23- 28- 40- 52+ 47+ |16513794
46 MacSweeny Colin 1k IE Dubl 3 16 109 3 16- 58+ 14- 49- 60+ 51+ |14998478
47 Kroon Rodney 1d ZA xxxx 2 20 109 2 58+ 6- 26- 54+ 31- 45- |16962583
48 Ivanov Ivan-Nikolaev 1k BG Sofi 2 19 112 2 56+ 49+ 12- 22- 41- 42- |15333450
49 Aylanc Nurman 2k CY Fama 2 17 112 2 35- 48- 61+ 46+ 14- 39- |13533850
50 Choukri Ayoub 1k MA xxxx 2 17 103 2 53+ 41- 22- 42- 54+ 44- |16974584
51 Carmona Pedro 1k PT Lis 2 16 104 2 34- 38- 53+ 56+ 36- 46- |13533652
52 Zapeta-Tzul Sergio 7k GT xxxx 2 15 104 2 39- 24- 58+ 43- 45- 57+ |16998586
53 Ganeyev Damir 3k KZ xxxx 2 14 105 2 50- 9- 51- 61+ 39- 59+ |16513035
54 Mah Zhe-Fan 2d BN xxxx 2 14 102 2 55+ 37- 30- 47- 50- 58+ |16933587
55 Escobar-Thompson Edgar 4k PA Pan 2 14 100 2 54- 29- 42- 0+ 59+ 27- |13650835
56 Korbut Sergej 2k BY Mog 2 12 97 2 48- 0+ 31- 51- 57+ 40- |14786563
57 Dave Sandeep 5k IN xxx 1 15 97 1 31- 11- 59+ 58- 56- 52- |14801182
58 Abat Celeste 5k PH xxxx 1 14 97 1 47- 46- 52- 57+ 30- 54- |16913589
59 Babayan Karen 5k AM xxxx 1 14 97 1 41- 15- 57- 60+ 55- 53- |16925590
60 Jafarov Gambar_Maharram 10k AZ Baku 1 13 99 1 37- 36- 44- 59- 46- 0+ |14733653
61 Malinic Natasa 4k BA Banj 1 13 97 1 45- 35- 49- 53- 0+ 43- |16213384
; 62 ghost 30k MX xxx 0 12 93 0 43- 56- 32- 55- 61- 60-
Author:  ez4u [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
quantumf wrote:
Yes, I've had it confirmed from someone at the event there are two groups, and the groups are based on the previous year's results. Harsh, but to be fair, the USA rep didn't play any of the top players until later in the tournament, which goes some way to explaining his 5/6 result.

Which 'USA' rep would that be? Have we finally annexed the folks up north? :)
Author:  TMark [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
I wouldn't worry about it Dave. It is like those people across the pond who also say "England" when they really mean "Britain".

Best wishes.
Author:  quantumf [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
I'm sure you guys are gently ribbing me, but I must confess to be utterly baffled. I'm pretty certain what I said was correct, but if not, please enlighten me :scratch: Feel free to PM me if that will save me undue embarrassment :)
Author:  Javaness2 [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
I did not get the joke either. The EGD database uses the two letter country code of US, which is the standard representation used for the United States of America (USA).
Author:  oren [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
Maybe he missed it was about Hugh Zhang going 5/6 from US and Bill Lin going 5/6 for Canada.

That's the only thing I could think of.
Author:  Javaness2 [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
Ah yes, Canada is part of the USA.
Author:  quantumf [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
OK, I get it, nice and subtle. But since Bill didn't start on -1, it's a bit of a stretch!
Author:  snorri [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
TMark wrote:
I wouldn't worry about it Dave. It is like those people across the pond who also say "England" when they really mean "Britain".

Best wishes.


I was visiting Dublin on business once and quipped that I've forgotten my "UK power adapter" in the hotel. That's the way the sell them here in the US. It doesn't matter for power adapters, but then I realized my mistake after seeing some funny looks, thinking, OMG, they're going to want to take me to a hurling game now to school me or something...
Author:  ez4u [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: KPMC 2013
My bad. When I looked at the original fuzzy chart, I did not look closely enough did not notice that Hugh had only one loss. I uncharitably assumed quantumf had mistaken Bill for a southerner. :oops:
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