This is one-sided. Maybe my post was worse than Helel's, though I doubt it, but Dr Straw is just stating the obvious. Helel's post was scornful in the extreme. I guess if Helel is incapable of understanding the idea that a vegetarian might view his restrictions as a matter of conscience or a requirement that he can't simply opt out of, the post might be mere naivete, but it certainly looks like trolling.

If you're going to actively administrate, I think some consistency is called for.

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Have to agree; helel's post was much worse. Hyperpape's post didn't even make sense (at least not to me), I don't know why it was the one that got edited. I thought helel was joking when he complained about it.

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If I may, my post was intentionally obscure, but was a reference to the authority of conscience in Protestant thought, combined with the historical prevalence of Lutheranism in Sweden. (It sounded better in my head).

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I can understand the "health" part if you are allergic or something, and I can understand someone not liking the taste, but I fail the understand the "ethical" part. Lets say we are talking about a frying pan and not a grill: Is it the same thing? What about when the frying pan is thoroughly washed? If not, at what point it becomes ethical again?

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There are some kinds of cheeses that you can grill, for example Halloumi, which is a sheep and goat's milk cheese from Cyprus that for some reason doesn't melt as quickly as regular cheeses. It develops a nice crust on a grill or in a frying pan, and makes a fine main course.

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Call me uncouth, but I did not sign this agreement. Social norms vary widely from place to place and from person to person. I for one would be aghast if my guest felt he had no choice but to break his personal vows to please the whims of an archaic protocol. If this is your protocol, bon appetit, but if you think someone rude to not abide by it, remember that the feeling could be mutual. In my circles for example, it is considered a no-no to present one's views as gospel.

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I see six of one and half a dozen here. It is clear to me that both DrStraw and Helel have strongly held values, and each person's preferred behaviour in this instance would have violated the other person's values - neither are inherently unpleasant values, just very different. I fully respect decisions not to eat meat from both a dietary and ethical perspective, and I also respect Helel's judgements on the value of behaviour both as a good host and a good guest (on which he has posted in detail before). The fact that both of you make such strong ethical stands on issues you consider important I consider of more value than the conflict caused when those stands work in opposite directions.

I didn't see any of the posts as particularly unpleasant direct attacks against individuals, and I can see why both people found the other person's posts offensive. Instead, I again feel enlightened at seeing people's views and attitudes to life that I would not have seen without the forum. Life's too short to make it all personal, let's get back to the debate

Mushrooms!

I love the taste of mushrooms off the grill. Just put them straight on the grill and wait until they're shriveling and start leaking fluid from the stem

If you want, you can marinate them in advance, but you can also season them right before putting them on the grill, just put some herbs/spices in oil and brush it onto the mushroom.

If you have larger mushrooms, you can also fill them. Portabella mushrooms with blue cheese is a personal favorite of mine. Just put some blue cheese in the stem side of the mushroom, add some chopped shallots and some rosemary, and put it on the grill. Delicious!

Grilled bell peppers. Brush on a little oil, add some salt. I normally cut them into squares and use skewers. About 10mins with some occassional turning works well.

Btw, I second (or third) the grilled corn suggestion.

For a grilled dessert: split a banana, cover w/ some chocolate chips. Of course, now I made myself hungry...

Edit: I removed the "and marshmallows" since it has come to my attention those aren't actually vegetarian-qualified (at least not without special purchasing). (Thanks for the info Chew Terr.) I do think grilled bananas with chocolate chips are probably about just as good anyway...

Sounds good, but be careful. I figure most vegetarians know this, but I'm mostly saying it for people, like me, who are not vegetarian themselves but like cooking for vegetarians... marshmallows, like Jell-O, are normally not vegetarian unless the package says so specifically. Unless I am mistaken, one can assume that gelatin, an animal product, is in both.

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That's good to know, and I'll chalk that up as my bad. I kind of thought marshmallows were just sugar and air. And I ran over that recipe in my head like 3 times debating if I should include it (since its not really a vegetable-based recipe). I guess I coin-flipped it the wrong way. At least I can learn something new every day

Reading along in this thread, i was about to make a similar point, but topazg beat me to it. nonetheless:

IMHO: Folks here are taking themselves and each other much too seriously.

It wasn't so much what you said as how you said it. FWIW, having seen how you tend to write in general I found your post to be humorous (though still a little over the line), but if that was the only thing of yours I'd ever seen I would have thought you were trying to be rude on purpose... Which is how DrStraw seems to have taken it.

Anyway, back to food... I made short ribs a couple nights ago... delicious!

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What exactly is required to make short ribs? I may live in Texas (so I should be an expert on ribs/barbecue/etc), but I'm pretty ignorant. =D

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Well, it was the hundredth post or so of Helel's that I've seen and I thought he was trying to be rude on purpose. It is hard for me to imagine that he is serious when he claims that he thought it was "polite":



I just try to ignore many of Helel's posts in general since they often get my hackles up, but now that the subject's come up, there's my opinion. I'll try to stay out of it again now.

I browned them in a frying pan and then put them in the oven for 90 minutes @ 350 F. Came out very tender. Next time I will use a little more pepper when browning them. The ones I got did not have bones, which is convenient but maybe not best for flavor? *shrug*

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Beer bread

3 cups all-purpose flour
3 Tbsp light brown sugar
1 Tbsp baking powder
1 tsp salt
1 bottle or can of beer (12 oz)
4 Tbsp unsalted butter, melted

Preheat oven to 375F. Grease a 9x5 loaf pan. Mix dry ingredients. Pour in beer. Stir just enough to combine (like 20 strokes). Pour into the pan. Drizzle melted butter on top. Bake until top is crusty and a knife goes in smoothly (35-40 minutes). Eat warm.