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Post #21 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:17 am 
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Something I care more about.

The lack of action by the EGF on condemning the war of aggression by Russia on Ukraine in the strongest terms and heed the call by IOC to relocate or cancel all events planned in Russia is very worrying. I am aware that the Executive is besieged with many very urgent official and private matters, not least because of the rapidly deteriorating security situation. It is still urgent to act immediately and before the opportunity to speak up expires.

I think there may be some statements or actions today but this is unclear. If you care about this you may wish to bring this up in your Go association to help shake the confusion and apathy.

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:38 am 
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If I didn't miss any information,

* 5 EGF countries (including UK) support BGA's letter or stronger measures against Russia.
* 6 EGF countries say that EGF is apolitical and don't want to exclude Russia or its members from EGF.
* Russia didn't give an official answer
* Several countries didn't share their position.
* There will be an emergency meeting in a few days.

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Post #23 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:58 am 
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I think this is the gist of it.

I'll add two things:
* I think maybe the Executive made the decision to convene as is in its power. Obviously it would be possible to muster 5 members but the Executive has the power to facilitate.
* I don't know about your count of 6. I think there has been confusion and apathy. What is happening is only dawning on many people and there is always hope that we can come together and do the right thing.

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Post #24 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:10 am 
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The 6 countries who want to stay apolitical are CYP, SRB, CH, ITA, GER, IRL if I am not mistaken.

So far no reaction from France.

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:24 pm 
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Post #26 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:05 am 
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The International Olympic Committee now "recommends that International Sports Federations and sports event organisers not invite or allow the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes and officials in international competitions".

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-eb-recommends-no-participation-of-russian-and-belarusian-athletes-and-officials

This call must be heeded by everyone.

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Post #27 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:38 pm 
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Post #28 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:02 pm 
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mhlepore wrote:
The International Cat Federation hears you loud and clear, kvasir.


Good for them.

Pedigreed cats is something serious but that "International Cat Federation" doesn't actually exist under this name, does it?

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:44 pm 
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Another development is that Russian and Belarussian athletes will not be allowed to take part in the Winter Paralympic Games in Beijing.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/disability-sport/60599739

It is hardly the great injustice that many make it out to be.

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Post #30 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:46 am 
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I understand that the EGF have suspended Russia's membership. To be honest, I don't remember if Belarus are still members or not.
No competitions will take place in Russia and Belarus.
NK has resigned from the executive.
There is some other stuff, but I didn't see any firm details ...

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Post #31 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:01 am 
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Unofficial summary of the meeting (auf Deutsch):

https://www.dgob.de/bericht-von-der-aus ... ne-kriegs/

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:40 am 
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These were the voting results according to my record:

Proposal: All EGF events in Russia to be canceled and reallocated.
Yes: 58 No: 4 Abstain: 2

Proposal: Russian players can't represent Russia but can still participate in EGF events under a neutral banner (alike at Olympic Games), until further notice
Yes: 49 No: 8 Abstain: 7

Proposal: Suspension of RGF within EGF
Yes: 40 No: 20 Abstain: 4

Proposal: Exclusion of RGF from EGF
Yes: 7 No: 51 Abstain: 2 (would require 2/3 of the votes, it is actually about "expulsion")

Proposal: Exclusion of Russian players from EGF events until further notice
Yes: 24 No: 32 Abstain: 8

Proposal: Exclusion of the RGF representative from the EGF executive board
Yes: 15 No: 32 Abstain: 17

Proposal: (Same) Measures against Belarus Go Association
Yes: 47 No: 9 Abstain: 4


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Post #33 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:08 am 
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Javaness2 wrote:
NK has resigned from the executive.

Natalia Kovaleva said she would "suspend" her membership in the EGF executive, I don't think it is clear what this means.

The EYGC starts in about a week and the executive is urgently working to resolve various issues related to that.

The host organization (Czechia) for the EYGC announced previously (a decision of their annual meeting) that Russian participants would not be welcome and that they recommend their players to boycott games with Russian players. Hungary has indicated similar sentiment (I think). It is not only the EYGC that is up in the air, it is also the PGETC. The PGETC had games postponed earlier this week because of the war by Russia against Ukraine.

I had hoped that the EGF would decide to forbid the participation of Russian and Belarussian players but now that it didn't the possibility of boycotts and other actions remains.

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Post #34 Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:21 pm 
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The European Chess Union (ECU) board had more resolve on Thursday than the EGF Special General Meeting and is banning all Russian and Belorussian teams and clubs from competition. Individuals representing Russia or Belarus are explicitly banned from ECU event unless they change federations or explicitly apply to play under the FIDE flag (that is to notify FIDE in the form of an Official Application). Trainers, arbiters and officials representing Russia and Belarus will have no functions in ECU events.

ECU will consider expelling the Russian Chess federation at its next General Assembly and is recommending FIDE to also consider this matter urgently.

https://www.europechess.org/ecu-suspends-the-russian-and-belarusian-chess-federations/

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Post #35 Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:20 pm 
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See here: https://www.eurogofed.org/announcement_2002-03-06.html

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Post #36 Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:45 pm 
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Is there an official source available for the letter by Toby Manning? I am not able to find it on the website of the British Go Association ( https://www.britgo.org/ ).

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Post #37 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:56 am 
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It's an email sent by him. Anyway it's obsolete now.

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Post #38 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:05 am 
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Some new developments.

First the International Go Federation announced the following policy:
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The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has passed a resolution urging all International Federations to relocate or cancel their events currently planned in Russia or Belarus.

The IGF has no plans to stage any events in either country and urges all regional associations/federations and all IGF association members to relocate or cancel any events currently planned in Russia or Belarus.

In addition, until further notice, no Russian or Belarussian flags will be displayed at events under IGF’s auspices. The Russian or Belarussian players participating in IGF events will be identified with the IGF flag. Regional associations/federations and IGF association members are urged to adopt a similar policy.

This statement is being sent to all IGF members and association members confirming IGF’s strong condemnation of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia with support of Belarus and expressing IGF’s unwavering solidarity with our Ukrainian friends.



Secondly Russia has now been officially disqualified in the Pandanet Go European Team Championship and the following announcement was made. Belarus is not competing this year and can therefore not be disqualified in the same way.

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European Team Championship to exclude Russia

The Pandanet Go European Team Championship has excluded Russia from
the current League A, following the decision of the EGF (EGF announcement)

The team and the match results are deleted from the tournament table
and the League A will be played with 9 teams in the coming rounds.

As the League A will be finished with nine teams, the rules for
demotion and promotion of teams are modified for the end of the 12th
season:

League A 9th place team will play a play-off with League B 2nd place
team. League B 1st place team is promoted directly.

League B 10th place team will be demoted to League C, the 9th place
team will avoid demotion.

League C top 2 teams will be promoted to the League B.

League C 8th place team will be demoted to League D, the 7th place
team will avoid demotion.

League D top 2 teams will be promoted to League C.

I hope our Ukrainian friends are safe and I wish this war to end soon.

Vesa

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Post #39 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:16 pm 
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We really should prioritise above all people in the world the healthcare workers who are in danger trying to help people so we must do all we can to help them the most, after the stress off fighting Covid-19 and are still fighting Omicron, and in some countries like Yemen during SARS-2, and they are not in a bunker or fleeing, even though one can argue they are the ones who deserve it the most and from a skills perspective losing a healthcare worker is probably the worst for a country, especially during SARS-Cov-2, and especially during a war, so one can say they should be protected most I mean I don't even know if the government is properly capable of paying them on time even, even in Ukraine . . .

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Post #40 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:53 pm 
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Elom0 wrote:
We really should prioritise above all people in the world the healthcare workers who are in danger trying to help people so we must do all we can to help them the most,


That is true. Many suffer when healthcare workers are prevented from doing their thing.

Farmers also do lot of good. It is easy to forget that they raise crops to feed the world. It is a brewing humanitarian crises when farmers are kept out of the fields. Now it is becoming more known that farmers also rid the world of some tanks and other weapons that otherwise would be put to no good use.

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