24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Post by **Solomon** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:35 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 17 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:47 am

Tabemasu wrote:.. Also, is there any way to number the moves past 10?

In the same diagram? I don't think so.

Tabemasu wrote:
For longer variations I read it's going to be annoying to have so many diagrams.

Not for us.

Maybe you read 10+ moves deep at a glance. I don't, and I don't think that the majority of the other observers do. Even if you could number past 10, I think that your comments will be easier to read if you don't.

For higher numbers with multiple diagrams, try the 'm' parameter as below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm30 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Tabemasu · Post by **Tabemasu** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:44 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 18 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . W O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Post by **Solomon** » Sat May 22, 2010 3:51 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 19 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Unfortunately I left my Macbook in my condo and I'm with my family which is over 30 minutes away from where I live, so today I'll do it the old-fashioned way.

Whenever I'm uncertain about where to play or I don't have a thread, over 90% of the time I simply ask myself "Well where would my opponent like to play in this position?". It's clear with the last move he played and the high stones on the bottom left that he's aiming for an influence game. I was a bit surprised he didn't go for the cut at H15, which would lead to a fight, but the move he played is thick and solid so it's perfectly understandable to me why he played there. Now the two questions I need to answer are:

Do I need to reinforce here as well?
If I do need to reinforce, how should I do so?

Now I think the answer to the first question is "Yes". Why? Well if White chose to cut at H15, the fight would be fair for both of us only because White had the cut at F14/E16. If I had to use the analogy of a gunfight (bad analogy? :-?

), I would say F14 gives White a bulletproof armor. I could choose to play elsewhere and let White cut at H15, but the fight would not be fair for me at all and it's expected that the top would become a disaster for me, just like how someone getting into a gunfight with a man with a bulletproof armor would end up a disaster

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So what about the second question? I think this is a very difficult question to answer that has many possible answers:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 19 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X e c . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X d b . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So how did I choose 'a' over all of these other candidates? For the sake of consistency, I will go over these moves in a video for the next move, but going back to the very first question I brought up "Well where would my opponent like to play in this position?", 'a' starts to shine out a bit more than the other moves. If White gets to play at 'a', his moyo begins to form very well on the left side and cuts off some access to the center for me. On the flip side, 'a' still leaves open the cut at H15, so this is something I considered before playing the descent.

Initially I thought the descent was a bit overplayish for the reason I just gave, but from what I could read it should be okay. I will trust in my reading and hope my group stays safe...hmm...but for some reason my senses tell me something is wrong. However. in these situations, I will tend to lean towards my calculations rather than my senses. But let's just wait and see.

Also, sorry for no video this time (but maybe some people will like this way more? :p)

uglyboxer · Post by **uglyboxer** » Sat May 22, 2010 4:10 pm

For Araban:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun May 23, 2010 5:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c My guess for move 20. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , W . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I expect white to strengthen his lone stone a bit, then come back and start cutting.

Tabemasu · Post by **Tabemasu** » Wed May 26, 2010 7:00 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 20 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . W , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Oroth · Post by **Oroth** » Wed May 26, 2010 11:39 am

Question for Tabemasu:

Post by **Solomon** » Fri May 28, 2010 4:55 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 21 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . B . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Triggers:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat May 29, 2010 1:49 pm

Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.

hiyayang · Post by **hiyayang** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:21 pm

@Tabemasu:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:50 pm

Post by **Solomon** » Sat May 29, 2010 6:34 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.

I see no typo.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sat May 29, 2010 9:13 pm

Araban wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.

I see no typo.

I think that Joaz missed the second instance of the word, "then". I also did the first time that I read it.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Sat May 29, 2010 9:47 pm

Kirby wrote:
Araban wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.

I see no typo.

I think that Joaz missed the second instance of the word, "then". I also did the first time that I read it.

So did I

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