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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #121 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this whole game i didnt play moves that even resembles overplay. game is practically over and its not even 100 moves.
i knew this would happen because i saw some of his comments he made prior to this game which helped me assess his strength. and he made a statement about my bully style during kierby-magicwand game which made me want to show him how weak he is..

what i want now is to play mistakefree game till he resign and win convincingly.

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Offline Harleqin
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #122 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:12 pm 
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Now that black has exchanged H7 for J7, I think white might as well stick in the peep E6. The difference to black playing E6 is a truckload of eyespace.


There is still a tradeoff. Just to exemplify:

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[go]$$W
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . 1 2 O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X a X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O C . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |[/go]


As long as Black is not threatened to be closed in, he will not play the circled point. As long as Black does not have any incentive to play it, White is in no hurry to play it either, so he should preserve the aji (even if it seems far fetched now) as long as possible.

Still, looking at the current situation, White might want to try enclosing now, so he could perhaps consider it.

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Offline Solomon
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Post #123 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:23 pm 
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I wonder if Magicwand is an avid poker player; every time I read his comments I can't help but read it in Phil Hellmuth's voice since his Malkovich personality reminds me so much of him.

To add some actual content to this hidden message, I'm a bit hesitant about White's last move but I can also understand why he chose to play that instead of connecting from underneath because it is equally, if not more painful (it also lacks spirit and is an insipid play):

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 2 0 6 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 9 X X O 3 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 X O X X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | O X X 1 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But it does remove some Black side territory...ay.

Anyways, I feel that with White's last move, he is somewhat committed to attack the giant enemy group and attack its weak point to inflict massive damage.
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 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #124 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O W . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Here is a point worth some thought.

I have many ways to protect this cut. I think the greatest answer is to give him the least amount of forcing moves.


Without thinking, I don't like this play. It is not just the bad shape (empty triangle), it's the inconsistency.

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My first impulse earlier was to connect with :w1: instead of extending with :w3: . But everybody else was looking at the extension, and I didn't do any reading. Besides, what do I know?

But after :w1: the exchange of :b2: and :w3: is horrible for White. White has to choose between :w1: and :w3: and stick to it. If there is no better play in the game than the solid connection, that's a crying shame.

Edit: Unhidden.

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 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #125 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:06 pm 
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@Bill:
I think that's the most educational, easy-to-understand example of tewari I've ever seen. That might belong on the Sensei's page.

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Post #126 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . W . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I read out a lot of ways to loosely surround him, but I think this is the best option. It's a vital point for both sides, and I feel that his group is under a lot of pressure.
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Post #127 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #128 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #129 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . W . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


mm.. may have missed my timing for the peep.
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Post #131 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O . . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #132 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:59 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O W . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now this move... I have no clue what it does. Is there some kind of tesuji?
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 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #133 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 2 O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . 3 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O W . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kills, but ..

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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 X O . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | 7 X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 4 2 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 5 X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | 6 O W . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe not, see what magicwand does :)
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #134 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . B O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i played whole lot of crap :) but not much lost..i will have bigger ko threat later

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Post #135 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok... I don't really get his moves on the left... but... on with the show?
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #136 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:28 pm 
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@Bill:
I think that's the most educational, easy-to-understand example of tewari I've ever seen. That might belong on the Sensei's page.


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Post #137 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Violence
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Post #138 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:22 pm 
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After reading for a long time, I have concluded that there is no good way for me to seal him in. I end up dead in every variation I read. Time for a new plan.


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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O W . X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #139 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bc move # I don't care either. - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O B X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #140 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:45 pm 
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Wow.

I can hardly believe that both players have overlooked black A7 as topazg showed. That play is in probably every tesuji book I have ever read, even basic ones. But the play suggests that Violence at least has missed it. And maybe Magicwand too, although it is easier to imagine him seeing it but not commenting on it.

:?: :?: :?:


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ok there is a little more here than first meets the eye, but I think white still loses big:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | a X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 6 O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . 7 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | 8 O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

.. and black cannot play 9 at a. However:

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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X . . . O . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | 1 . 3 O . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X X . O X X . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . X O O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . O . . . . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black answers this way, white has not time for 4, since 5 kills the corner. Am I missing something?

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