Big Brother Malkovich #5

Joaz Banbeck · **#121**

TIM82 · **#122**

So, closed book or not for big bros? And am I allowed to read my little brothers hidden comments - the other team is of course off-limits?

I'll have to admit that I'm not comfortable with white position (I would have played differently earlier definitely), but I thought it might be a good learning experience, so I joined. Also, 26 sure is not the point to vary, at least we now have one nice corner ourselves.

What makes me uncomfortable are the top corners. On left, black has ideal formation after 27, and on right the point A makes nice box shape. Additionally, it's quite easy to pressure the two stones in the top to increase these corners. Both top corners require care to handle, and I don't have much experience with these enclosure + extension shapes, sorry lil' bro... If open book, I'll definitely do a refresher on these shapes and invasion points.

I consider B in response to to 27 to be quite suicidal for us - at least on initial glance, I reserve the right to chance my opinion. Too good shapes for black, not enough for us. Something at top seems needed. Perhaps strenghten the two stones with move against right, and then some action on left.

Never played this kind of malkovich before. Have to take care to not change things too much either - e.g. Probes seem risky as there is no quarantee lil'bro has the same idea on when to tenuki...

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skydyr · **#123**

You are allowed to read the little brother's comments. Little brothers aren't allowed to consult books, etc. Not sure about big brothers.

Incidentally, did you mean to approve my move, Joaz, or are you still thinking?

Joaz Banbeck · **#124**

I was still thinking.

But, I approve.

Splatted · **#125**

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Comment to follow.

Joaz Banbeck · **#126**

It is gote. I smell three stones coming our way. :lol:

What is he going to use for a follow up?

This?

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Maybe this?

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Or this???

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It looks like gote to me.

TIM82 · **#127**

Quote:

Comment to follow.

Move noted, but I want to see the promised comments (if any) before approving anything. So, if no comments are coming, let me know, Splatted.

In general, I appreciate even short comments on future plans - interpreting plans based on just the board is quite errorprone...

Splatted · **#128**

I'm writing the comment now so you can wait if you want.

Splatted · **#129**

Firstly, I decided answering with E10 wasn't a good idea because it felt overconcentrated. It would defend my investment on the side, but there's not much there anyway and it's not very good as an expansion, so I dismissed it.

That left me wanting to do something pro-active to stop black making nice positions with P12/E12. As I said before, the left hand one is bigger for black, so I was tempted to cap it straight away because I think it's good for me if he tries to poke through the elephant eye:

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But there's no need for him to do that straight away, and I don't want to be left worrying about that weakness, so I thought it would be better to play the cap on the other side where I have support from P10.

My plan from here depends on how he replies:

If he responds with something defensive on the third or fourth line I'll probably consider view P12 as having done it's job as a reduction and go back and play E12.

If he tenukis I think I may have some strong follow up's, but I'm tempted just to push him low in sente and build influence to support the K17 group and for a reduction of the top left.

If he attaches at P13 I will have to do some serious reading.

TIM82 · **#130**

Approved.

Joaz Banbeck · **#131**

skydyr · **#132**

I'm going to think about this one for a bit.

drmwc · **#133**

W can improve on one of Joaz's variations

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3 seems to be an improvement. If B plays the same 4, W moves out. W is reasonably strong and B's group is weak with a lot of aji against the corner.

Or if B changes 4:

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B can move out easily, and again W is weak.

skydyr · **#134**

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Joaz Banbeck · **#135**

I disapprove. I think that this move is bigger by more than three stones.

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Joaz Banbeck · **#136**

There have been three disapprovals in this game. After the first two, there was lots of chatter. After this one...dead silence, even from the opponents.
:scratch:

TIM82 · **#137**

for whatever reason, I did not notice your previous post earlier...

Joaz Banbeck · **#138**

Hmmm...bump...

Splatted · **#139**

sorry, I have seen it I'm just not ready to make my move yet.

Splatted · **#140**

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Comment to follow.

Big Brother Malkovich #5

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