not so good in creating stable groups.

[otenki]

I was lucky to win this game. (My oponent left aji for me to make my group alive)
Howhever I really want to learn better how to make good stable groups.
Around move 88 I sacrifice any potential on the bottom to be able to get a group into the center.
I think this is reasonable because the black stones on top are not alive yet.
Howhever I handled this group not too well I think.

So my main question is how to make this group stable and ressiliant.

Also if you have any tips on what kind of tsumego I should do to be able create better shapes for my groups please let me know.

I'm white.

Thanks !
Otenki

[Joaz Banbeck]

Move 24 is really interesting. At first glance, move 22 looks bad, but then 24 feels really sophisticated because it makes 22 work. Did you find 22/24 in a pro game? Or did you just play this on your own?

[Bill Spight]

Generally, by the time you reach your level the question is not how to create stable groups, but whether.

Without looking at the game, maybe the problem is not sacrificing stones.

[otenki]

@Joaz Banbeck:

I've learned these two moves from a korean go teacher, I believe it was Inseong.
Howhever NOT in this context, also it didn't turn out the way I thought they would.
I did not forsee 25, which prevented me from creating kindoff influence.

Instead I got thickness which is also fine I guess.

Normaly the sequence is something like:



@Bill Spight:

In my opinion in this case I have enough aji and it is necisary to create this group.
The only question is what are the best moves to create this group while attacking or threatening or ...

[Boidhre]

Hey Otenki,

The only pro sequence I can find with the same position as yours after is the following:

$$B
$$ +--------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 6 . O . . . ,
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,

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[go]$$B
$$ +--------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 6 . O . . . ,
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]

Both your approach and black tenuki'ing it seem to be very rare for what it's worth.

The game it's from:



As you can see it wasn't originally a Black corner.

[otenki]

Boidhre:

I just applied an out of context idea to the situation.
Look at my example of how it *should* be used. (afaik)

My approach was wierd because it was free (a ladder breaker for the other bottem joseki).

Cheers,
Otenki

[Boidhre]

I'm not criticising. Just trying to provide you with information.

E16 also breaks the ladder and puts some more pressure on Black. I've no idea if it's better here though assuming a Black tenuki.

[Bill Spight]

Some comments.



Main focus: Avoid playing where your opponent is strong.

If you play where your opponent is strong, you can expect to find it difficult to create stable groups.

[Unusedname]

Just a few comments.

I think the way you attacked the middle group was weird.

but I like that squeeze tesuji. I'm going to look for that in my games now :]

[Joaz Banbeck]

Yep, like Bill says, you play too close to the opponent's strength. And if you must do so, play lightly.

...
I did not forsee 25...

Still, you did not do badly after 25, IMHO.

BTW, good fighting at the end.

[otenki]

Thank you so much guys, Seems like I have a lot to learn.
I'll try to replay and check all of the suggested variations.

Cheers,
Otenki