Here's a game I played on OGS which had a very interesting and long variation of the large avalanche joseki which led to a big territory and big influence, and soon after that influence became a huge centre territory, rather too big and easily I thought. Thoughts appreciated, particularly on moves 52 and 58.
Huge large avalanche variation and huge centre territory
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Re: Huge large avalanche variation and huge centre territory
Why did you play on the squares instead of the intersections?

Edit: It seems that I had my zoom set too far out.
Edit: It seems that I had my zoom set too far out.
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Re: Huge large avalanche variation and huge centre territory
FWIW, through
I think that White has gained a few points. 
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I like Q-10. The opponent's play is my play. 
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I have a decided preference for Q-10. Why push Black towards his weakness, the top side and corner?
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The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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Visualize whirled peas.
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Re: Huge large avalanche variation and huge centre territory
I wonder what Robert Jasiek's joseki evaluation thingy would say... I also felt it was a bit better for white, but only if I was pro-level at dealing with big influencey moyos.Bill Spight wrote:FWIW, through I think that White has gained a few points.
I thought if I pushed up black might push down at r11: if white hanes at the head of 2 I feared black could cut with that big wall and the fight would be good for him, though to be honest I didn't read anything past that. If extend then black probably jumps to keep the moyo and then approach/extend and aim to 3-3 on top right or something more to the top side? I added a variation to the sgf (dynamically loaded from OGS).Bill Spight wrote: ForI have a decided preference for Q-10. Why push Black towards his weakness, the top side and corner?