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by glyps » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:49 am
after playing couple games after a long brake
this is the game that interest me the most.. as my rank strangely boost up
so would someone analyze/review the game for me? i hope i got good lesson from this game
Ades/Me (W) vs (B)
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:14 am
The game was Ades, W, 11k, versus AKANE44111, B, 12k.
Your username here is glyps, which is neither. 11k and 12k are very close.
Were you Ades ? You want to think about from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective: we don't know whether you were B or W.
Just like we learn from Go, you want to also think from the other person's perspective.
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by glyps » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:25 am
EdLee wrote: The game was Ades, W, 11k, versus AKANE44111, B, 12k.
Your username here is glyps, which is neither. 11k and 12k are very close.
Were you Ades ?
yes, i changed my game id, sorry for not adding that info earlier
thanks for the review btw, im very grateful
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:29 am
Hi glyps, Ades,
When you 'quote' a post, you don't need to include the entire SGF.
Again: think from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective.
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:30 am
Hi glyps, Ades,
You're welcome. You may want to use the Preview button to preview your post before you Submit --
take a look at your post, look at it from the audience's perspective. (Then you probably would not include the SGF.
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by glyps » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:32 am
EdLee wrote: Hi glyps, Ades,
When you 'quote' a post, you don't need to include the entire SGF.
Again: think from the audience's (forum members' ) perspective.
ah yea, that was my mistake, i'll remove it by now
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by skydyr » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:37 am
Are you white or black in the game?
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by glyps » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:44 am
skydyr wrote: Are you white or black in the game?
im white.. i already write it out there just now
"Ades/Me (W) vs (B)"
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by oca » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:24 am
@edLee
on move 19 : "Wrong shape. This allows W to connect under with (a). See var."
As this was not direcly obvious to see at my level (or at least for me
), I tryied to prove that for myself and came with the following sequence. Are they correct or am I missing something ?
$$W Wrong shape, so W can connect
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W Wrong shape, so W can connect
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
$$W B shape is stronger, W can't connect.
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W B shape is stronger, W can't connect.
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
$$W try 2 - W still can't connect
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W try 2 - W still can't connect
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:49 am
Hi oca, Let's look at all 3 of your variations, one by one.
oca wrote:
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]If W ataris with
in your variation, did you consider
and
?
Notice the
string is suddenly down to only 2 liberties !
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]Can you find a better local move than your
atari ?
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:54 am
Hi oca,
In your second variation, both
and
are mistakes.
- Can you find the correct move for
?
- Given your wrong
, find a better reply for W:
oca wrote: $$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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by EdLee » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:06 am
Hi oca,
Your third variation is interesting. Did you consider if W resists with
at (a) ?
Locally, it does look terrible for W. But, globally, we need to look at the
group.
Can you find another move for
?
oca wrote: $$W try 2
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X B X . a . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W try 2
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X B X . a . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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by oca » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:27 am
EdLee wrote:
...
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X 4 X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 8 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . ? ? 6 1 2 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Can you find a better local move than your
atari ?
I will try my previous
at
instead of (a)
$$W WHITE MUST CONNECT - TRY 2
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W WHITE MUST CONNECT - TRY 2
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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by EdLee » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:12 am
Hi oca,
oca wrote: I will try my previous
at
instead of (a)
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . a . . 6 . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]Did you consider the very simple connect
?
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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by oca » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:14 am
EdLee wrote: Did you consider the very simple connect
?
houps... looks like I'm still overthinking
...
EdLee wrote: In your second variation, both
and
are mistakes.
- Can you find the correct move for
?
I will play that :
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O O O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
EdLee wrote: Given your wrong
, find a better reply for W:
I will play
... I hesitated with (a) but
seems more in danger for me than the bottom right corner.
$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O X X X X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 O W O X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 1 2 a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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