Big Brother Malkovich #2

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:36 pm

I approve.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:43 pm

Friendly reminder: its your move, Phelan :razz:

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:32 am

Aphelion wrote:Friendly reminder: its your move, Phelan

Sorry, don't expect a move from me for a week or so.

Reason in my signature:

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:08 am

Wow, this game sequence feels heavy! In a sense, the whole point of white's initial two-point jump was to play lightly and leave options open. In the diagramme below, the 1-2 exchange doesn't really hurt the plan - in fact I think it is good because if white pincers without it, black can crosscut, which could be hard to handle for white. But by exchanging 3-4, white takes away all possibility of living in the corner later on. This is extra painful because due to white's earlier tenuki, black already has one extra stone in place.

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Instead of the game, I believe something like this is better (3 can also be one line higher). Later white can still live with the sequence a-g, so his stones are quite light.

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Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:32 am

Sorry all for the delays.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . , . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Don't really know what to play here. I'm going with my assumptions of an attack on the black stone, and the running fight.
I hesitated between the above and the ones below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm11 Other moves I considered $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . a W . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . b c . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:52 am

Not approved:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=8 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . 1 . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Gosh, this is complicated. I'm trying to avoid the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . a , . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to use Black's weaknesses to help out the top right group, but Black must not be allowed to have such good moves as "a" against the top side. The next move has to handle the top right group I think, which means any stones we play on the top now must be ok to handle Black's response. I'm envisaging something like:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=9 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . 1 . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's very awkwardly thin. I think pulling back in the top right has just made White heavy, so we need some flexibility to handle this well. A very subtle and awkward position here !

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:42 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm14 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=8 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . 1 . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ugh, this move is harder to handle than the lower pincer. I probably will just jump out, though I am toying with the following sequence, aiming at 'a' or 'b'

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=8 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . 4 O . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . b . . . a X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Problem is, this gives white too much on the top left, and also instinctually doesn't feel right. The one point jump just feels a little flimsy to me however. I'm going to ruminate on this more.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:02 am

More thoughts:

After some thought I think the 1 point jump is the way to go, but I'm worried about this:

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After this there are a lot of variations, but I don't see any which prevents a connection while keeping white weak. I could prevent this with M18, but I don't think I'm strong enough in the area to play a move like that and give up the initiative to run out (I haven't thought deeply about W2, but giving White another move in the outside running situation feels bad):

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This is the reason I considered this sequence earlier:

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It still on the table for me at this point, but I feel I am under a lot of pressure to get sente to play 'a', something which I am not sure I can do. If White gets 'a' I feel like he has gotten the top left very efficiently.

Something else that just came to my mind is to make the following exchange first:

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My feeling is that White doesn't gain quite as much from this exchange (still gets some though) and retains for me the option to play a little more lightly. I am mostly debating between these two attachments at this point.

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:38 pm

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I rejected both attachments on to the pincer stone as they seem to give away quite a bit of profit to white for an uncertain increase in strength that may or may not benefit me. If white crosscuts as in my previous post this is how I will deal with it:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 7 5 . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 0 8 4 1 2 . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . O 6 X 3 . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will swallow my N17 stone but I will get quite solid in the area, nullifying the impact of the 5-4 stone, and I already have quite a bit of territory on the top right. This situation is my favor I think (not that I expect white to play this way, reading this sequence out was more a exercise for peace of mind).

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:29 pm

I approve.

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:51 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=8 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure which is the right side.
Running out by pushing on P12 doesn't seem that good. If I were black I'd welcome it...
I also wonder if black can pincer our stone, or cap it instead of responding.

But jumping out with K14 leaves problems behind for the right white group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 Jumping out $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 a . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I also considered a, b and c, but all seemed too fragile and wishy washy.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:31 pm

Not approved!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=7 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . C X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:43 pm

gaius · Post by **gaius** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:37 am

Not for players

topazg wrote:
Not approved!

We may have to push from behind along the 4th line if things go badly, but I'm not doing it unless we have to. Let's kick up a big fight first, we have more stones here, there's lots of things White can hope for, but giving Black lovely territory is not high on that list.

Aphelion wrote:
This feels like overplay, I need to read carefully here..

I completely agree with this. Now is not the time to be timid, make him regret not solidifying his group! My sealed moves are below. Notice how badly white has made his life difficult with the marked exchanges:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 My moves for black $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . # . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ @ # . | $$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:17 pm

I'm a little preoccupied this week, but I will make a move by Friday.

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