and now I get to play at a (leaving room for a 2-space extension in either direction) before Black extends from his wall. He can play a really valuable turn at b but the left is still very open.
Sure, I've marked every part of the board . Lets think, if I am him... The framework at b is certainly too gote for him... D will be pincered and yield a good result for black... So he ought to play either c or a approach. C works more harmoniously with his shimari, I feel, so I am going to think about that a bit.
And my goal is for black to invade the weakness at A, where I will then try and develop from 6 and live with the corner. Because this common joseki result seems good for black in this case, I think he may omit 3, and possibly approach my other corner. He may play at a with 3 directly - but this is a fighting variation in the realms of black's thickness...
I'm paranoid that Black will tenuki, but responding should be urgent enough that "urgent before big" applies, and I would get compensation in the form of reducing the effectiveness of his wall a lot. Still, I am hoping he responds.
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OK, he decided not to go for a risky move up top. My kyu brain thinks he probably made the right decision, but I'd like to know whether I'm right or not.
Now I really have to react to his wall before he can make a perfect extension from it; if he played on the star point, say, I would be really sad. I really need to be able a two-space extension in either direction, so my only options are L16 or L17.
I actually had only been considering L17 until I was about to hit submit, and then I suddenly considered L16 and changed my mind. If I played at L17, it seems really easy for me to make another small group on the side and leave Black with gigantic central influence. Since every stone of his on the board (save the one in the lower left) is oriented towards influence, I think I should work against that.
I'm much more comfortable with the kinds of positions that result from me playing on the third line, but L16 feels right, and the point of this game is to learn anyway! Also, if I were Black, I think this move would annoy me more, and that's always a good criterion for selecting moves.
One more thing: one reason I'm a little uncomfortable with this move is that normally I'd want to either invade (play on the third line and live) or reduce (play on the sector line), so playing here could be too wishy-washy. But I think there's enough room to do either here, depending on how things go, so I'm not as concerned as maybe I should be.
Hmmm, how'm I gonna cope with the wedge... This calls for some thought.
Ok ladies and gents, here`s the game plan. I want to move his wedge towards my massive thickness in the top left, so obviously I will be playing from the right. Good! That 4-4 wants more friends. Lets do some speculation.
Black is gaining power in the top right as White reduces the top left. I could play this as black... I have trouble seeing whether this is good or bad for me. Depending on his 5 here, I might try and do some magical cutting of the one point jumps.
Maybe a bit dubious... What if he treats his stone lightly? I profit, but he gains some framework of his own... This does suggest to me however that I could play a contact play against him, with the idea of making his stone heavier.
Contact is a double edged sword... Fundamentally, by touching a weak stone I am making it stronger, by inviting a local play (increases liberties, etc) but the stones have also gained value, stopping him from treating them lightly. I don't really know any common sequences for this, however. Some speculation...
Alright, I find M16 too exciting not to play. I'm happy I won't be able to see people's stern disapproval at touching a weak stone that I need to attack. I think this situation will allow me to try and exercise my reading / fighting / tesuji.
Oh, for the audience who are currently thinking "what is he thinking?!" - my concepts of making a group heavy and then driving it towards my thickness come from my remembrances of Kato Masao's Attack and Kill. Sure, I might be applying it wrong, but this is a move that feels good to me, Loons, KGS 5 kyu.
Also, this move will presumably diverge from his plan. No-one plans for this. If he tenukis, the follow up play L15 looks too good for black.
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Well, that is surprising, and the first move of his that smells funny. I would have figured 1) Black wants to attack me; 2) Don't attack by attaching. I expected an approach from a distance of one space on either side of me, on either the third or fourth line. I guess he hopes to secure a bunch of territory during this contact fight and then move on.
Unfortunately for me, the game is won by actually playing moves, not by citing proverbs, so I guess I am obligated to respond. The two obvious moves are to descend or hane from below. I'm leaning towards the hane because I don't like the look of me descending and then him descending in turn - even if I make the famous hane at the head of two stones afterward I feel like he has roughed out some territory and I haven't.
Hmm, the upper left corner looks good for black. It seems almost as if white prematurely invaded the 3-3 ... however white has more territory than the 3,3 and got away with sente, so maybe not. However, why would black attach now? I like the small knight, or large knight move towards the white stone and force white to settle in the face of that wall.
I think L16 work well for black with the influence on the left and it's a more 3-D shape. Getting thickness on the left I feel is too small and when white plays L16, there's no real good way to benefit from attcking it.
I think L16 work well for black with the influence on the left and it's a more 3-D shape. Getting thickness on the left I feel is too small and when white plays L16, there's no real good way to benefit from attcking it.
I don't agree. First off, L16 doesn't stake any territory. It's a move that builds framework, but no profit is guaranteed. Secondly, when White plays C12, the cut at D14 is severe and must be taken care of immediately:
Which seals White and also has framework-building possibilities on the left side. The thickness radiates over the center in the latter diagram, while in the former diagram the thickness looks clumped and inefficient. If Black had played at 'a', it would utilize his thickness well by pushing White towards it while gaining profit - however, the attachment he played in the actual game is a different story and may not bring such an ideal result.
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Yes, never get hane'd at the head of two stones as long as you can help it. Good shape and healthy groups are far more important than big-looking moves.
Anyway, I think white missed a serious opportunity here:
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Neither c nor d appeals to me; it's one thing to put a stone down on the fourth line for influence, but it's another to keep playing out on the fourth and fifth lines while everything closer to the edge remains empty. I would be very interested to hear from stronger players whether my intuition is correct here or if I should consider influence more.
To be honest, the me of today is not that impressed by the me of yesterday's contact play. I should have gone with my instincts and played the large knight's move. Sure, it does lock him into a fight, but that means I can not read clearly, too many possibilities.
So, I want to make up for that by approaching this scientifically. Looking at the board, it appears my opponent has approximately 26 points cash (the top left territory + lower right enclosure. I have yet to really realize any points. I have an unapproached 3-4, a wall and a 4-4 stone.
My 3-4 point can also be developed into a shimari, already with some support from the top left, which I feel will help balance out his shimari, so I'd like to realize a larger top right than his top left here, facilitated by his weak group. I haven't come up with a way that I can significantly deny him eyes, so I'd like to take advantage of it's weakness to bolster my top right... Gahh
Really, no matter which of those four moves dfan played, he'd end up with an acceptable result. My personal feeling though is that the hane underneath helps black to profit in the upper-right more than my move does.
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but Black always ended up being able to play a as a ladder breaker, and then get another move between our shimaris after I captured. I would end up with a really nice position at the top but it seemed like too much to give up in exchange. I am likely wrong.
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