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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #201 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm131 Has captured: B - 3, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . 3 X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #202 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm131 Has captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . 4 O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think it's the only move that makes sense, locally.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #203 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:10 am 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm131 Has captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X 7 4 O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X 5 O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . 6 X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #204 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm131 Has captured: B - 4, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 8 O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sure, that's fine. That means you have one more capture, so I updated it.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #205 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:09 pm 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm131 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . 0 O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | 9 X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i will have ko all day here

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #206 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:35 pm 
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Nevermind. ;)

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Offline fwiffo
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #207 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:38 pm 
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Hey, I saw that. :-)

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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #208 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:57 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



What's the threat here?
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or

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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O . 2 . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O 1 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both of these moves seem really pleasant for B.

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #209 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:58 pm 
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Not my day. :(

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #210 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I kind of feel a bit more relaxed, but let's see how the rest of this ko plays out...

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #211 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X 3 . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #212 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:14 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat...

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited
Post #213 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:52 pm 
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DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . 6 O . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O 5 O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Offline Jedo
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Post #214 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:43 pm 
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Instead of making a threat that last time, why didn't Kirby just connect?

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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 5, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . 6 . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . 4 X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . 5XX X X . . |
$$ | O . O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


45 and 46 seem to be miai, so It doesn't really seem like white can cause that much trouble.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #215 Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X . X O . . . 8 . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea anymore.... :-|

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Post #216 Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X 9 . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
wow.. :) very intresting game.. i might not be able to play another mover for one month.(going on a mission for a month)

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Post #217 Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:56 am 
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 0 O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko threat, again...

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Post #218 Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:53 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm141 Has captured: B - 6, W - 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . O . . . O X X X . X X X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X . X O . X O X X X . . |
$$ | X O O O . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . X . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . X O . O . . . X . . |
$$ | O O O O O . . . . . X O O X . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . O . . . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O a . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O X . X X O . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O X . O , O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | O X O X . X . . b . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 0 O X X X O O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




Anyone else feels there are multiple benefits for a here? I do not feel like I'm reading everything too well. There's also b to look into. So my question is, as a threat, a or b first?

I personally do not know which is better, but I have a nagging feeling I'm looking at things too straightforward. I think this is a great weakness point for bottom, and might awaken more aji there. I'm leaning towards b. Requesting a different viewpoint on this

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Post #219 Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:37 pm 
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I feel neither a nor b seem to be big enough as a threat if white captures.

Edit: gah, that's embarrassing - forgot black group is dead XD Um... can white ignore a?
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Post #220 Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:34 am 
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I feel neither a nor b seem to be big enough as a threat if white captures.

Edit: gah, that's embarrassing - forgot black group is dead XD Um... can white ignore a?


Yea, I'm not sure about the timing. I like the aji a lot, and I think there's a lot to work with especially if that black group becomes alive. That's a big if though. The possibilities are there, but I do not read well enough to see how far these threats go(I'm also a bit lazy). I especially enjoy the threats because they definitely make white's group(s) overall weaker. At this moment, magicwand will most likely take the chance, if Kirby decided to play these moves. It seems difficult to pull off, and I think magicwand will bank on Kirby misreading something. It happens a lot in handicap games in general. So I'd say it might become a bit bigger in a few more threats. Maybe after black plays k8.

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