90: CSamurai (5k) vs Chew (3k)

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:40 pm

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I'll admit, I wasn't expecting this move. With this move, you make what was a desperate fight into an all or nothing fight. Which, you know, I can respect, but it does make me wonder what you're planning here, since nothing I read from this point is very good.

I'd diagram, but.. I can only guess your next move at this point. You're playing a bit more wildly than I think you need to. With the reduction along the bottom, you're not as behind as it might appear, and playing this forcefully seems dangerous. But then, maybe I'm just not very good at properly using influence. Had a game today against a kgs 4k where they played completely unreasonably and beat the snot out of me by just being wildly agressive, so maybe this is good for you.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:49 pm

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Mostly, I figure it's the same as a picnic ko: it's very sente, and as long as I drop it before it spills into other areas, if I fail, I won't lose anything that I had a shot at, anyways. Mostly just trying to poke a little aji and see how you respond before I play somewhere else.

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:25 pm

Some thoughts.

A couple of thoughts occur to me, either of which is fine. I just feel like this one maintains the most pressure.

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This way seems fine for me. Some aji left from white.

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This is the other thought, and, while solid, it lacks any real force to push back on white.

I can play either, but I'm not sure which result I like best at this point. Going to stew on it for a while.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:29 pm

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I've seen this a few times in professional games recently

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:26 pm

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Sorry for the long delay in my play, I had a bout with a flu for most of my weekend, then spent a couple days recovering errands wise.

As for anyone who read my thoughts..

OK, so, I know last time we talked I was leaning towards the other side of this play..

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But I decided that white 54 was far too good for white.

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This is a far safer way to play for me. White lacks solid strength, eyespace, and black has a large tactical advantage in this fight. We're going to continue trying to play calmly and not make any mistakes that give white more advantage than deserved.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:31 pm

My guess:

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:52 pm

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This sort of thing looks bad.

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So I'm looking at this.

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Looks close. Can we find a better followup??

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This looks fine to me. As I had nothing locally to start with, I'm willing to trade a big reduction (or potentially kill) for the bit of thickness in the center this gives.

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:38 pm

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:29 pm

For anyone actually reading anything I've written, which, at this point, is probably no one.

The reason I'm confused is this.. White doesn't have any great options here.

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we're going to look at a few moves for white. Let's start with the crazy one.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 b59 at w54. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O a X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 b . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 3 6 . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Following the split to this end, white doesn't manage to connect out, and has no room to live inside there.

If white defends the split..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 3 6 . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 1 O O 5 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 8 X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After this I don't know what white wants, but it's all precarious.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 4 . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This sequence seems even better for me.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O 2 X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black is happy with this too.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O 2 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I like this result too.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O 7 9 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . 2 X X O 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 X 0 . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 b . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . a c . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The sequence through C seems to kill white all over, though there's some aji in that group, and it might live small, it is struggling for life..

In short, I don't see anything terribly good for white, and I don't know what white sees that I don't. So I can't imagine what his next move will be.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:38 am

csamurai;

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:01 am

Maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see Black's easy refutation to this:

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CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:32 pm

A moment of clarification:

I want to take this moment to say, I don't think white's moves are bad. I know my comments may read a bit negative, and I'm showing a lot on how good my chances are in this fight, but I don't think white's moves are bad. They are very confusing to me though, and I can't see an objective or an aim for white to shoot for. I do think white's moves will surprise me, since his last 3 moves have been surprising to me.

It may be that white feels behind, and is trying to make the game more complex. I myself have done this many times, in the hopes of finding some error, I'll play a sequence that is too complex for me to fully read, since, frankly, if I can't read it, I'm betting whoever I'm playing against can't either.

In spite of that, these aren't necessarily bad moves. They produce a lot of aji, and are hard for me to see clear answers to. The last 4 moves have made me think pretty hard before playing, so those could be considered good moves, if only in that respect.

I don't know what I would have played 4 moves ago as white, so I really can't criticize this path too much.

My opponent is also stronger than me, so it's entirely possible these moves lead to something I haven't yet seen.

I'm just lost as to what white's actual aim is.

The longer white plays here, the stronger I become in the center of my moyo, making it harder to reduce strongly. The aji created by cutting may recover some of that possibility, there are certainly going to be interesting reductions coming because of the fight here.

In some ways, white confusing me is probably good for white. I feel off balance, and am playing quite reactively. I don't dare make long term plans because I don't know if white is going to take sente and tenuki at any time, or if white is going to play this fight out and hope for aji.

The control for the game is entirely in white's hands at this point, which is never a terrible thing for white. All I can do is keep thinking hard before making my moves, and hope I don't let white slip from 'in trouble' to 'completely destroying me' in a couple moves.

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:17 pm

Another note: Up to move 35, my comments are all now well past their prime. Most of them are useless in the context of the move, and all of them are now not influencing game, so they're open for anyone who cares to read. I'd open up some fo them after that, but 37 includes some remarks on unplayed in areas, and I hate to just skip a comment like that, so I'll hold it for another 10-15 moves.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:26 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm curious, did you expect this response? I ask just because it felt non-intuitive, and I didn't see it for a bit. Feel free to read any of my comments before my invasion.

CSamurai · Post by **CSamurai** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:10 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 O O . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . X . . X . . X . X X . . | $$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . X X O X X . O . . O . . O . X . . . | $$ | . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It was one of the many responses I considered. I honestly had no idea what your likely response was though. I'd offer a trigger, but there are a couple of paths from here, and I don't know what you're actually aiming for, so, merry hunting.

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