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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #181 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:22 pm 
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Some light reading in the interval:

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[go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . a O . 1 . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 4 3 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 2 X . 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . a 2 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 4 X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm117 "a" and "b" are miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . a O . 1 . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 2 3 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 4 X . 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm117 Too many bits to defend
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 3 1 . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . c X . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O b O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I may be the weaker player, and losing here, but I resolved to not give up without a fight. I've come this far, and I'm not backing down. This one looks hard for White - I'm sure magicwand has one of his surprises up his sleeve, but at least I'm making him work for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)
Post #182 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O 0 . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 9 X a |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . 8 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok..i dont see anything to get me out of this hot water.
after above variation hopefully i can save my self.
i guess he got another chance to win.
can he grab that chance???

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Post #183 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O 9 X . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #184 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm111 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O 0 . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #185 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:22 pm 
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Nice one magicwand! Everything looked a bit too thin, but that does work. Probably P7 next, I don't seem to have much choice, but it's still a useful result for Black I think. If I can get sente, the game's even again.

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Post #186 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . 1 X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #187 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X 2 |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #188 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:59 am 
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Man, this game is intense. I have a busy day, followed by travelling on holiday after lunch for 6 or 7 hours. I'll have 'net, so I'll move, but I need to read this out a bit.

Particularly, can I tenuki? I'm looking at the following:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . d O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . b O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X 2 |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O a O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O c O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"d" takes my fancy at the moment. Neither "a" nor "b" stop me from being squeezed:

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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . 0 O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 8 7 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 4 X X 6 O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 1 O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 3 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . 1 O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . 3 O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . 4 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't fix at R7 without damaging my hopes of playing "c". So, if I've already reduced, and can't make that many points, tenuki makes sense, leaving "c" as really big reverse sente to play when the middle has died down. However:



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What problems does this pose? I can't cut:



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 6 4 X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X 5 O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . 6 . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X 8 O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 O 3 O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . 5 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which means:



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . 5 O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 4 3 . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 2 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I figure White cannot profit this way, so I'm pretty tempted to take that hane.

Other points of interest:

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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . 5 3 1 . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X 4 2 O . X X a . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move fixes both Black sides as White can't escape, which also nullifies the threat of the cut at "a". White may get a lot of sente against me if I'm not careful in these areas, so this isn't as slow as it looks.



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . 4 O 5 . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | 6 1 2 X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . 7 3 . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Useful endgame for later, but frustratingly gote.



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 2 O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X 4 . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X 5 1 . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This :b23: I like as well, because it gives access to the middle and saves those two stones nicely. However:



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If White gets to play here (or even the other side hane) White can really build some points in the middle. Also:



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[go]$$Bcm123 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . 1 O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like it builds lots of points for Black, so I figure White can't easily ignore the hane.

Go is hard.

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . 3 O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bah, I'll only talk myself out of it if I don't play it now :D

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 4 O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



i will cash my check now before it is too late.
what he played is big..but i dont know what it is..it doesnt seem right timeing.

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Post #191 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X a O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One idea for B123 is to play here. The aim is to protect the cut at a in sente.

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for obs:
since we had endgame lesson from Bill the almighty let's use that knowledge to real game.
question: how big is point "a" ?
12 point marked x plus one black stone count as 2 point and one white stone for 1 point.
total is 15 point locally.
now if he plays that then it will threaten my life so it is sente for him.
which means you have to multiply the point by 2. which means it worth 30 point because it is sente.
and also it threaten my life so he will get more points on other side.
basically it is much bigger than 15 stones in gote.
Wow..
my main focus now is to play that point before he plays it.
now you know how i think.. hope it helps.
this conclud my endgame lesson for today.
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 4 O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O x |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O x |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O x |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O x X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O x x |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O a O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X x |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . x x |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . x x |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
edit:
what i did is not exact.
actually it is more complicated than that.
but i am using ballpark estimate to value my point.

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I really really really really really really wanna try to kill the right side.

Where are his eyes??? Show me!

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Forced. I wanted to fix this earlier, but there was no way of doing it in sente :(

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 5 O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X 4 . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is still gote, as White can still cut here. I mean, I can squeeze if White tenukis, but so what?

So, I'm hoping I have miai of the middle and the lower right, both of which I think are in excess of 10 points. That lower right is no normal monkey jump now:

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[go]$$Bcm125 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O x |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O x |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O x |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O x X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O x x |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 1 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Suddenly all the points marked x are non-eye-non-points for White. That's 8 points straight away, +2 for T3 and T4, so it's either 10 points reverse sente or, more likely, 16 points gote(twice) as I ignore White playing there and playing T3. So, it's huge.

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[go]$$Bcm125 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , 1 . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O . O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I hope, is this...

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Post #195 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:54 pm 
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Further thoughts:

Which do I prefer?

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 3 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . 3 O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , 5 . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 4 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both huge. I just have no idea any more.

I hope y'all are enjoying this craziness!

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Post #196 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 6 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my move is no brainer. i think he missed his final chance to comeback.

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Post #197 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:22 pm 
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Magicwand needs to outyose topazg from here on out to win, I think - bearing in mind no komi. Can someone make a comment about 'temperature dropping' ?

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Post #198 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:36 pm 
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my last move secured my group's life.
now i am free to play below hanne and distroy his middle with sequence below. (which i dont think he will let me, but i dont know how he will do that.)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . 6 , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . 5 4 O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 1 X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . 7 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


according to my count i am up about 5 ~ 10 point.
his influence in the middle will give him some more points but i will also gain almost equal points.
i dont see any way he can comeback unless he has some tesuji that i dont see.

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Post #199 Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:30 pm 
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I like this move for black:

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The natural hane leads to this:

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 . . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X 4 6 7 . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X 5 . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 3 1 . . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X O O X 4 . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X X 2 X O . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #200 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:01 am 
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Yeah, that's huge. I'm now aiming for something good in the middle, but I need to do lots of reading:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , a . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O X . . . g c O b . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O X . . f d . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O e . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 6 O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One of those :P

Interestingly:

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[go]$$Bcm127 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O 6 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X X O 5 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 1 . 7 . . , . . . . . , O O . |
$$ | X O C 2 3 . . . O . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . O C 4 . . d . . . . . X . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Makes me lean towards that "d" move a little bit ... Once the middle settles, I'll count.

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