93: magicwand (4d) vs topazg (1d)

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:07 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 6 O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:22 pm

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:36 pm

my last move secured my group's life.
now i am free to play below hanne and distroy his middle with sequence below. (which i dont think he will let me, but i dont know how he will do that.)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . 6 , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . 5 4 O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . 1 X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . 7 . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

according to my count i am up about 5 ~ 10 point.
his influence in the middle will give him some more points but i will also gain almost equal points.
i dont see any way he can comeback unless he has some tesuji that i dont see.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:30 pm

I like this move for black:

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The natural hane leads to this:

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...and this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O 3 1 . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X O O X 4 . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X X 2 X O . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:01 am

Yeah, that's huge. I'm now aiming for something good in the middle, but I need to do lots of reading:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , a . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . g c O b . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . f d . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O e . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 6 O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

One of those

Interestingly:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm127 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O 6 . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O 5 . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O 1 . 7 . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O C 2 3 . . . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O C 4 . . d . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Makes me lean towards that "d" move a little bit ... Once the middle settles, I'll count.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:38 am

Some background:

I'm really really not sure whether he or I got the bigger point at the moment. On one hand:

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That's 17 points or so, and it may be optimistic or pessimistic - I can't read it well enough, but my gut feeling is that his influence is powerful enough for maybe 20 points there. I've taken away 10 points on the right, giving him a net gain of ~10 points, and it's my sente. The alternative:

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Now I gain ~12 points depending on my next move (i.e, whether I go for a lot more here), and he gaines 10 points, which nets me 2 points. That of course, is not the big picture. The only way I could allow 2 was to _also treat the followup as gote_, which means:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . y y y . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . 1 O y O y B . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . B y y y . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . . O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X b . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O 2 O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X 4 | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . 7 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I also have to allow this, which means I'm net 4 points behind with my sente. However, again, this isn't the whole picture! In the top diagram, moves like "a" become mega sente as he hasn't got two clear eyes, and those cuts I didn't like because of the squeeze may be enough if I can keep running. This could easily be worth another 10 points, and I'll never get sente up there now. Likewise, in the last diagram, the cut at "b" is becoming more concerning if I let him push again. However, this, also, neglects the value in the difference in my sente. With the top diagram, I will find it very hard to reduce the middle, remembering I have to be cautious that the marked group in the lower left does not yet have to easy clear eyes (easy to make the second eye in gote, but a gote move just to secure an eye right now is too low). With the last diagram, having sente for :b23:

(effectively this move) and :b25:

may give me the opportunity to pull another 10-15 point swing in the middle as I'm beginning to have the greater influence and beneficial aji now.

Put simply, I haven't a clue if I'm doing good with this exchange, it's way above my pay grade. However, _if_ I can make a good next move and capitalise further on the last move, I think I can benefit more from the center (comparing his move locally to mine locally) than he did in the lower right. Furthermore, the marked Black stones in the last diagram now have purpose, which they lacked when I placed them. If I can turn them into good moves, I will be very happy. Still favouring "d" in my last post, but I'm really staring at "b", "c" and "f" too.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:50 am

for obs only:

Korean professionals when they review the game they often talk about merit of the move.
but i never seen such term in english review. may be i havent seen enough.... (please let me know if i am wrong)

anyway.. i want to talk about merit of marked stone.
marked black stone is inside my territory for no reason.
i dont care how you twari analysis this, it is like passing one move on critical stage and giving me a point and endgame which was his right. marked stone in the middle can not be bigger than corner.

now i want to talk about other persepective.
often in professional game they have to play a move that is an overplay because it will lose the merit of one move.
before analizing the good and bad..all you need is a merit analysis.
because you played that move prior there is no other choice but to playout the sequence even it means that you are playing the losing sequence.

every move you make should have meaning and purpose.
if the stone you played loses it's merit then you will lose.
if you think about that concept then you will get stronger.

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:58 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm121 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . 7 O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . . X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, that's the important stone I think. I was worried about:

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I found it hard to find a good variation that I could read for Black, so I'm going to stop that stone from escaping if I can. Let's see how many points I can pick up from all this.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:26 am

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:01 am

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:38 am

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He's cracking, or bluffing, or I've misread. Just when I thought the stakes might drop, they've gone waaaaaay up again. The center is transforming, and I'm getting everything I want there. We're talking about the exchanges of 10-15 points in gote being huge, and here he's threating to take about 12 points in 2 gote moves. I might take 30 in the middle if I'm lucky.

My gut feeling is "have 'em", but first, I want to think about:

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Does

earn me enough? If White ignores it, he's got free kikashi. If I don't, does this hurt?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm127 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . 7 . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . 6 X . . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . 5 4 2 X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Or, is this sente enough that he gets to fix the remaining aji here in sente?

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I'm getting excited. This game is blowing wide open.

Also, after my move, I get Mr awesome followups:

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The o8 move I think is key for both of us, so I'm probably going to play it first. But still, wooooo, more action!

EDIT

Ok, I posted it. If he ignores, I get the following later:

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I'm still gettin' me some points, and "a" and "b" are left too. My move _must_ be sente (ha ha ha, how can I say that after the last 20 moves)...

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:54 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm129 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . 2 . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:06 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm131 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . | $$ | O O O X . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | X X O . . . . . X O . . O O X X . . . | $$ | . X . O . O . . X O . . O X . , . . . | $$ | X O O . . . . . X O . . X X O . X . . | $$ | X X X O . . . . X X . X . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X . X O . . . X O . O . X . . . O . . | $$ | . X X X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . 1 O . , O O . | $$ | X O X . . . . X O . . . . . . O X X O | $$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . X O . | $$ | . O O . . O . . . . . . . O X X . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . X | $$ | . . . . . X . . O . X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X O X X O X X . X O O O | $$ | . . O . . X X X X O O O O X . . X X . | $$ | . . . X . . . X O . O . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I figure this is forced. It makes that cut a bit slow and small (he gets good squeezy), but it helps keep those two stones above tengen dead

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See, that's kinda annoying. This game is crazy.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:12 am

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i briefly thought about below..risky and unnecessary.

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i certainly can not let him have everything..

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:27 am

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That's very frustrating. I can't stop him connecting. If I swallowed the whole middle I'm a long way ahead. I guess that was a tad optimistic

So, he has to connect, then I do some reviving:

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