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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Post by Phelan »

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[go]$$Bc Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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Basic instinct, at least for me. Stretch any more and get invaded, stretch any less and the base is too cramped.
Even after looking at other moves, nothing makes more sense than this.
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[go]$$Bc What next?
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I'd play this :b9: if I was black. Then I'd reply with either a or b, not sure yet.
I'll post my thoughts on it tomorrow.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Post by Marcus »

Approved.
Ho hum ... let's see where this goes. I'm surprised that Shaddy made the change so early ... I would think that the differences between the two approaches would be minimal ... certainly at even my level it's a matter of style more than anything ... Oh well, we'll see what happens.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Post by Violence »

Uh, approved.
The crap? He changed that move? Even pros wouldn't change such a move, both approaches are playable...
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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not sure why shaddy changed the move
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[go]$$Bc Move 7... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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some ppl consider this wrong direction
usually when we play this type of move, we usually probe first
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[go]$$Bc Move 7... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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or play the super normal sequences(joseki) - here players can choose complex variation or simple one
Black chooses between a or b
White chooses between c or d after black plays a or b
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[go]$$Bc Move 7... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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and of course i prefer this than the changed move
maybe shaddy can enlighten us on his move later
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Post by dangomango »

just looked at game #2, they dont even number moves like us now
how do you number the moves past 10?
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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dangomango wrote:just looked at game #2, they dont even number moves like us now
how do you number the moves past 10?
At the top of the diagram is says something like

$$Bc

This is equivalent to the default,

$$Bcm1

which turns the stone marked "1" in the diagram into :b1: (and "2" into :w2: , etc.)

$$Wcm1

turns "1" into :w1:

$$Bcm11

should turn "1" into Black 11.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Observers:
Oops. I forgot the probing approach first- I don't know how to play the orthodox, I only really play chinese openings (and sometimes kobayashi) when I play well-known openings. Anyway, I changed it because going by jts's sequence, we'd have to change a move in two turns, and I'd rather just make a change now so we can get 5 points back faster.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Hokay, so. I'm pretty sure that we can tenuki from the right side now. But not completely sure. I want to think through how we'll respond to k14 and q13 before doing anything rash.

As I'm thinking about it..... W doesn't have a ton of space. I ought to have some way to harass W in sente until :b7: is strong. But I could just end up provoking moves like s5 or q10 that solidify white. Maybe I should play q10 myself? I don't think that's the right approach; you attack weak stones at a distance. But maybe in this context r12 is the weak stone, and it needs some help pronto.

I'm leaning towards k17 now. I think the upper right is too unstable to simply play the c10 wedge. But we may need to keep playing on the right side. (Meta-strategy: I'm pretty sure now that the best tenuki points are k17 and c10. On the other hand, I can think of eight places to play on the right. So if I ought to play on the right side, Shaddy will almost certainly change it anyway, but if I ought to tenuki, I have a pretty good chance of getting it right.)
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Looking at the options, directly trying to cut the two stones works okay, but will lead to a messy fight - hard to say that we're ahead on the right side still.
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[go]$$Bcm9 Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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Peeping at the cut works a little better:
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[go]$$Bcm9 Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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[go]$$Bcm9 Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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Those both seem really good for B to me, so I think W is forced to stay low.... this isn't horrible for W, and we still have a cutting point at "a", but I think we're looking pretty strong and white still isn't perfectly safe. The question is, will some sort of exchange like this be better than k17?
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[go]$$Bcm9 Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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post-script:
If we cut directly it doesn't matter if we start at r9 or r8, but if we peep q9 and q8 are different... I think it's fairly obvious that, if you just flip the shapes in my 2nd and 3rd diagram, now W's stronger shape is trapped between our cutting stones and our enclosure. Not sure whether that works better when W chooses to stay on the third row, though, which is what matters.
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[go]$$Bcm9 Move 8... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(10) W-10(7)
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That actually looks better to me. I'm having that "I spent a long time thinking about this sequence so I'm gonna play it, gosh darn it" feeling...
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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[go]$$Bc Move 9... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(9) W-10(7)
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think Shaddy would have changed my move unless he had a specific local result in mind for us. If the goal is "leave situation somewhat unsettled on right side, tenuki to left side," the diagram I had in mind looks better for us. So what could it be? Fourth-line influence isn't the most amazing stuff in the world, but Shaddy wants to do something, and this is something; the q9/q10 peeps work better than the direct cut, which itself is better than any something like q11 or s11. --- Another way of thinking about this is that it's shoulder hit where W has to stay low, when normally you want to respond to the shoulder hit by extending up to the center. So it's a little bit good. And Big Brothers, if you wanted c10 or k17... :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
Oh also - :b9: here has the advantage of sort-of defending against Wp5, which is now just a normal elephant jump.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

Post by schilds »

Shaddy:
How do you see your change now, given that it's main effect seems be jts second guessing his moves?
19/02/2011: this grumpy person takes a voluntary holiday from L19.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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not sure if we keep changing moves like this, how long we can last haha
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[go]$$Bc Move 9... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-7(9) W-10(7)
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tbh i dont mind the move played by jts but, his sequence bothers me
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[go]$$Bc Move 9... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(9) W-10(7)
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this is normal with next possible move at a or b
if possible would like to have both meaning it would be better if we have k17 type stone before this sequence is played out


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[go]$$Bc Move 9... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(9) W-10(7)
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white will most likely answer with a jump on either side, meaning black has sente
and if white ignores instead...
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[go]$$Bc Move 9... P: B-0, W-0... C: B-8(9) W-10(7)
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a and b are miai

another reason i like the move at p12 is it helps top right corner while putting pressure on the white group
and as for q8 it's probably something i save later depending on how the board develops
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Ugh.
@dangomango:
Edit our corrections down one... from 8 to 7
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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approved.
I like jts's move better, but I'd rather play neither and go right for k17. But I can't afford spending the points, and it's probably sente, if somewhat worthless (the corner is invadable, but we've already put 3 moves there!.
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I don't like it so much anymore. I was hoping he'd just take it as a style thing, or maybe a hint that his sequence was bad.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #3

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Just so you guys know, you're not allowed to say anything from stronger to weaker players. The weaker players are allowed to say things to stronger players, but are not allowed to read their comments. The stronger players can't say anything back down.

Again, they changed a move that's perfectly normal! What is this I don't even...
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