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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Post #201 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O 4 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ko? I'll take ko. Deal!

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Offline Violence
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Post #202 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:18 pm 
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Man... sometimes I hate when I'm right.

I don't think Kirby can get a lot out of this ko because he lacks threats... but I guess it is still hanami, maybe he can secure his upper right corner.

And if Magicwand plays N11 I'm going to headdesk
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Post #203 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 5 . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i must be on drug :( didnt even see that ko...

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby... Again
Post #204 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O 6 . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Might as well follow through with the ko.

目的：Gain elsewhere on the board through this ko.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #205 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . 7 X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #206 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:29 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 8 X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No real explanation needed...

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #207 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . 9 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #208 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . 0 X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's go for profit.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #209 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X 1 O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Kirby
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Post #210 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel like I got some profit here, but it's still a close game.

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Post #211 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:41 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #212 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Black is leading comfortably IMO.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #213 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:52 pm 
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Here is a rough count (negating our already captured stones, since they are the same for both sides):



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[go]$$Wcm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y y y y y y y y . . |
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y z X X . X z X X . |
$$ | y y z X c c c y y z X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | c c X X c c c X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | c c c c c c c . X O O O b O O . . a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c . . O b b b b O a O a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c X O a O b a b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O b O O b a a a |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O b O a O b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O b b O b a a a a a a |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a a a O a . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a a O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | a a a a . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | a O b a a a . . X y X X z X z z X y y |
$$ | a a O a a a . . . X y X z y X z z X y |
$$ | a a a O a O . . X y X z y z z X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y X z z z X X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y X X y z X z y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y y y y y y y y y |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I'll say that the "a" points are white's probable points, and the "b" points are white's probable captures. This gives:

a: 70
b: 15 x 2 = 30
White score: 100

I'll let "y" be a probable black point, and "z" be a probable capture.
y: 53
z: 18 x 2 = 36
Black score: 89

This puts me behind.

However, the points marked at "c" are, in my opinion, semi-probable points for black.

If we add these up, we have 35 "c" points for black in the top left, which I am not counting, so I could optimistically have around 124 points.

I believe that it's still a game...

However, I will have to contemplate on my next move...


Looking at my count, I have not considered the F9 area. This is an area where white is stronger.

I will have to take this into account in my analysis...


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[go]$$Wcm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y y y y y y y y . . |
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y z X X . X z X X . |
$$ | y y z X c c c y y z X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | c c X X c c c X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | c c c c c c c . X O O O b O O . . a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c . . O b b b b O a O a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c X O a O b a b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O b O O b a a a |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O b O a O b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O b b O b a a a a a a |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a a a O a . O . O . . |
$$ | d d d d d d d a a O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | a a a a d d d O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | a O b a a a d . X y X X z X z z X y y |
$$ | a a O a a a d . . X y X z y X z z X y |
$$ | a a a O a O . . X y X z y z z X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y X z z z X X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y X X y z X z y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y y y y y y y y y |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Above, I've added some points, "d", which might likely be white's. This is 12 more probable points for white...

So if I am optimistic, I could be looking at 112 to 124... But I must be careful...

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Post #214 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:01 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Here is a rough count (negating our already captured stones, since they are the same for both sides):



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[go]$$Wcm121
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y y y y y y y y . . |
$$ | y y y c c c y y y y z X X . X z X X . |
$$ | y y z X c c c y y z X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | c c X X c c c X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | c c c c c c c . X O O O b O O . . a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c . . O b b b b O a O a a |
$$ | c c c c c c c X O a O b a b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O b O O b a a a |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O b O a O b O a a a a |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O b b O b a a a a a a |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a a a O a . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a a O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | a a a a . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | a O b a a a . . X y X X z X z z X y y |
$$ | a a O a a a . . . X y X z y X z z X y |
$$ | a a a O a O . . X y X z y z z X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y X z z z X X X y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y X X y z X z y y |
$$ | a a a a a a a . . y y y y y y y y y y |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



D19 -- probable point? ;-)

I would play bE11 ("c" points = cash). If white defends the center, then use sente at S8, followed by sliding to F2. It's impossible for white to win this game playing passively from here.

ETA: Of course I understand Kirby is trying to do a conservative count. A good thing to do in games with enough time is to do several counts: Optimistic for him, optimistic for you, and best guess. They you know how ambitious/safe to play.

Anyways now I also noticed another funny count:
F3-G3 area = 6 points for white, but H3-J3 area = 0 points for black? :lol:
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Post #215 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:15 pm 
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Black is leading comfortably IMO.


Indeed, Kirby's count is bizarre. He seems up by 25 at this point, and that is what he has solidly, and I think he has better prospects for more than MW. Even given MW's strength, Kirby should be able to maintain a 20 pt win...
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Post #216 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:19 pm 
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In retrospect, I believe that the marked white stone was a mistake:
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[go]$$Wcm111 Captured Stones: black 6, white 4
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For example, if white protected, I could theoretically play like this:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . 1 X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now, it doesn't make sense to play at the 3-3, because the marked exchange doesn't seem right for white:
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[go]$$Wcm111
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . W B . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tewari analysis is kind of tricky, but it seems to me that the 3-3 was not optimal from the board position.

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That said, I have of course made several mistakes in this game, too... Which makes this a very weird game, I guess...

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Post #217 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:35 pm 
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I want to play the move below:
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , B . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


... But what about white's response???

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[go]$$Wcm1 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 1 . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , B . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is it profitable for me?

This game has gone back and forth so many times... From here on out, I must consider every possibility.

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Post #218 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:38 pm 
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For the record, I always used to hate when people used multiple question marks in a sentence (can you believe it???).

But after reading MW's game comments, it just feels appropriate for Malkovich games.

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Post #219 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:19 pm 
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My prediction:
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . B O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #220 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:50 am 
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[go]$$Wcm121 Captured Stones: black 6, white 6
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X X . X O X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O X O . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X X O O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O X . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O O O X O O X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O X O . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 . . . O X X O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O X X O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . X . X X O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . X O . X O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X , X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Meh, it should be OK. If he wants to fight back, I will fight back. The rest of the game wouldn't be interesting otherwise... :-)


I predict something like F11.

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