108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:43 am

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This is tricky. This allows for my opponent to still push into my base if he hane's. Territorially, this is huge, but then it also gives me a weak group. I mean, not just weak, but much weaker than I want to have to deal with.

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That said, I've decided to spend another move protecting this group.

I had a couple of options:

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a is nice because it gives me a possible invasion point later at d and e isn't sente to cut.

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So it is better on the right side. Except that I think that playing at d in the previous diagram anytime soon helps black solidify his moyo too much if he just sacrifices a stone.

b and c are better on the bottom. c allows a big endgame follow-up if he replies to it for white, so it isn't as good as b. Which allows black a big follow-up if it's ignored (Or possibly even it is responded to. It allows the previous threat at e, but black can capture the two stones if this is threatened. and I feel like black comes out ok. If white protects the cut, then I might play there anyway or, I might attach at the table shape to give more eyespace if I feel it is necessary.

I want to play around all of the points marked a:

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But I will have to examine them as the board changes. Some of them, I feel are too passive to play straight out, but are points I'd love for the opponent to force me to play. I really love the concept of forcing the opponent to make me play moves that I'd love to have played anyway.

To observers:

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:12 am

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I thought another move down here would be too slow for black. I thought I might get to play at :b35:

in the future. He secured that point which threatens cutting at :et:

, but it is way to early for that. If he does cut at :et:

then W(a) B(b) W(c) sacs two stones in sente and I can play a move like (d) which I am very happy about. I wonder about :wt:

, though. It still protects an invasion, but if black directly cuts it does little, but maybe I should have just plated :wt:

at

. I'm still not sure.

As for my move, I absolutely refuse to play another move at the bottom at this time unless it were (d), but I think (e) is bigger.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:53 am

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mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:15 am

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I don't know what (d) does, so let's dismiss that right away. Playing at (a) defends the corner and lets black live on the side. This is not particularly appealing because of the marked stones. If I play (b) directly then W(c) will lead to a complicated fight. I think playing at (c) is the correct move here.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:12 pm

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mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:41 pm

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I think his move is too greedy. I don't care about points with my bottom group (as long as it doesn't die!), so I don't want to play on that side. I have lots of room in the corner, but I don't particularly want to just live there. So, I'll poke at his ogeima which seems thin. I won't pretend to know how this will develop. I imagine he will gain some solid territory on the side and in the corner, but that's okay -- it's kind of his already.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:37 pm

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I'd be happy if this happened.

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mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:37 pm

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mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:41 pm

@Puppycakes

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:00 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X 3 . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

To mw42:

Yeah, it doesn't seem like many people are paying attention. But I'm still enjoying the game. It's too bad, but I was looking forward to reading some chatter about the game afterwards.

I wonder if white will something like this. I feel like I might be able to kill that way, but I'll read it out if it happens.

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cdybeijing · Post by **cdybeijing** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:09 pm

There are many lurkers guys, lurkers...

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:13 pm

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@Puppycakes

As am I (enjoying the game). We can always read each others comments afterwards.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . 0 . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O 8 X 6 O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O 7 4 5 . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, I'll connect then and I think I'm okay. I could either reduce the center or remove the corner. I was thinking of an invasion on the side, but that's foolhardy at this point. As for the position, he can't hane, it seems. I will either kill his group or obliterate his corner, I believe. I was never concerned about securing many points on the bottom.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:06 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't like the prospect of white playing like this:

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This is a potential ko for later.

My moyo on the left looks like nearly 50 points now, but he gets more territory on the bottom this way.

I really am curious what stronger players would play here.

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:50 am

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O X . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . | $$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O c . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . Y . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . e . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X X d b . . . . O . X . . . . | $$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . | $$ | . . f . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So the moves I considered were (a), (b) and (c). I think (a) has some sente value plus it reduces his corner while strengthening my bottom group (maybe this is unnecessary). I thought about (b) to help support a reduction in the center, but what does it really do? W(d) and W(e) would still be sente even with (b). Of course, (c) is big but gote. If W(f) then I will definitely play at (c). As for his center, it is looking big. I should be able to reduce by playing lightly around the marked stones.

Puppycakes · Post by **Puppycakes** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:27 am

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