126. EdLee vs Loons

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:24 am

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:33 am

Going back a few moves, if Loons fixed his shape with :b57:

at

-- instead of his cap at (a) --
my follow-up was something like :w2:

.

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:00 am

One question for post-game review is to compare the following (if :w62:

at

)...

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...to this variation of :b49:

(instead of the large knight's :black:

(a) in the game):

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:17 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:22 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:46 pm

An exchange! How exciting. However, this cannot be the extent of Ed's plan- P9 and Q8 were not gainful moves this way. I think.

Some aji:
Note, I am demonstrating aji. To play this like this is very much just setting the world on fire.

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'X' is quite Ed's sente, and white's potential in the middle grows as I throw stones away.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:24 am

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:18 am

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:00 am

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:43 am

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As white, my first thought is to play 'a'. My second was 'b'. X-Y-Z tries to convince black he really doesn't want sente (which I do). Just Z may be more elegant than that sequence.

I would have probably just played 'a' to well-finish my big capture.

jts · Post by **jts** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:24 pm

@loons:

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:48 pm

@jts

Ha ha, I thought it would be fun for people to put it together a little themselves. Look carefully at my 'aji' sequence post and then at my move. Then, if you find there's nothing doing and black clearly misread, you have my permission to giggle quietly to yourself until after the game. Perhaps you can post what I think I'm threatening, or possibly why white is safe and where black has probably erred for anyone else still wondering.

I guess my mention of not playing E13 instead may be pointlessly also cryptic. Given I will give up H14, I would prefer to have a two space jump relationship there to a large knight's move. Also consider the two space jump draws my lines in the sand just a little further from white's monstrous top (with respect to developing my own centre-right later).

Just so you can double-check-

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X for Y shouldn't matter a whole lot.

This is why I suggested white might try breaking this sequence with eg. 'a' aiming for sente.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:14 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:22 pm

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EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:23 pm

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