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When 2 6k fight

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Hello, this is a game I played against Phelan. The beginning was hard, for white. Where did he messed up? How could he do better?

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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Quick thought:
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Too soon. Black is low on top, so there's no danger of a moyo. The top side is also cramped with black stones. Basically top is a barren wasteland right now.
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This would be better (or some other approach, doesn't have to be one space high). Approaching a 3-4 corner is pretty big, and you should have a much easier time of any fighting on this side, away from all those messy black stones.
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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edit: I did not remember correctly. White gets sente in the trick variation, so disregard that variation in the top right (but you should remember the trick, it's useful, and I doubt anyone under 1d will refute it. I don't think even 3-4ds will consistently refute it)
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Shaddyboy, check this out. http://www.josekipedia.com/#path:qdodqfqcpcpdqbrcpe
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Thanks, I'd forgotten you need the ladder for that trick.
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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You're welcome:) I quite liked that branch of variations myself when I looked over it.
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Shaddy wrote: ....
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Looks like white dies.
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This is what my probably inferior reading says
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But even then white is unhappy.
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Re: When 2 6k fight

Post by Shaddy »

Oops, H19 should be G19.
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Thanks for the review, guys!
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Shaddy wrote:Oops, H19 should be G19.
Or, backtracking as little as possible in your original variant, J17 at B19?
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Re: When 2 6k fight

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Yeah, that works too.
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