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Post #81 Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Post #82 Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:02 am 
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Next move is move 43. I'll note it in the text before the diagram from now on. :)

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Post #83 Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:33 pm 
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Sorry Drewch, I thought I'd posted this many hours ago but I'd gotten distracted by one of the kids.

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[go]$$Bcm42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would like to do something like:

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[go]$$Bcm42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also am trying to use the high one-space jump in response to the knight's move approach to 4,4 so I want more experience using it. 2 in the diagram is painful though for me to do it. So I might try the same idea except with a knight's move instead of a one-space extension. This may be a serious blunder.

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Post #84 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he plays somewhere here it would be a huge move, so I should probably invade here.

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Post #85 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered this but I think the corner is just too big and too greedy as well as too symmetrical. I don't like symmetry in this game.

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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I went for an extension/pincer instead. I prefer this move I think it works well with my group in the lower right and while it still encourages a san san invasion I think it works better with the overall board by extending from my strength in the lower right. It also pressures him to do something.

A small knight's approach to the top right would be a big mistake by him here I think.

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Post #86 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This isn't the ideal play but I did need to invade the right and I think I will still be okay even though this is a bit close.

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Post #87 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let the fighting commence! :D

Possible continuation:

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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't like white much here, I feel he is a bit overconcentrated in the top right.

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Post #88 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #89 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #90 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:02 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #91 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #92 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Attacking his group on the left to try to make some center moyo

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Post #93 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:23 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Making shape.

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Post #94 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:26 pm 
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
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Post #95 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:30 pm 
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . 5 X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
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I feel that I can tenuki here. This move is a vital point locally for both of us I think. Compare with:

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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . 6 X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also dislike pushing from behind or pulling here despite making fourth or third line territory because of the marked stone below:

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[go]$$Bcm52
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . W . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My instincts may be wrong though.


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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . 5 X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . 6 O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #97 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:42 pm 
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X 7 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . 6 O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another vital point I think. Again, sente.

a next to block the invasion:

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[go]$$Bcm52
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X 7 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O 8 . . . 5 X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . 6 O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #98 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:43 pm 
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X 7 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O 8 . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . 6 O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #99 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:47 pm 
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The move order was out by one. Correcting in this diagram.

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[go]$$Bcm59
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O 2 . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Protects invasion point, secures some territory, invites him to jump ahead.

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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . X . . . X . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X 4 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O O 2 . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O , X . X O . X . . O O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . O . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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