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Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:14 am
by Chew Terr
Move's not ready, but here's some of what I've considered.

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[go]$$Bc Doesn't work, white can capture 3 for an eye
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X W 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 3 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . 5 . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X W 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 6 9 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 7 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 8 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc The best I can see for this path is an impossible ko where white gets to capture first AND has internal ko threats to make a second eye.
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . 2 5 X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . 3 1 C O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 4 O X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O O O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc A liberties race!
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X W 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 9 7 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 8 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 6 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc W is trapped if we play like this. Actually, it's still close, because my bottom group is close in liberties to the corner. However, either I would win, or it could potentially be an awesome seki...
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . 8 . 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . 7 3 X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . 5 2 X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 1 X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O O O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc Ruh Roh...
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . 7 4 O . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . 3 X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . 9 6 X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 5 X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O O O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:54 am
by Harleqin
Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Doesn't work, white can capture 3 for an eye
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X W 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 3 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:26 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . B . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Harleqin wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Bc Doesn't work, white can capture 3 for an eye
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X W 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 3 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 6 . . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 7 X . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, it seems like it may come down to a liberty race that I believe is favorable. I had been reading something flawed (obviously) that looked like white could either make an eye or get out with the main group. As I can't seem to dispute this 5, I should play towards it.

Shaddy: Sorry, I feel bad for taking audience hints. However, that's kind of the purpose of the open format, to improve games from a playing and learning perspective by removing mistakes and clearing up misreads in advance. Also, there'll be plenty of chances for me to mess this up later...

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:15 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . W X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to make like a tree and get outta here.

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:20 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Debated between N6 and O7. N6 involves my groups living and N5 dying (best case), O7 seems to kill the corner and let the other two small groups live. The corner is bigger, so I'll take that. Below are some options I considered.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . W C 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 1 3 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 2 X O 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X 1 B 3 5 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O 6 . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 2 X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 1 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X 7 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 1 X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 3 5 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O 6 4 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 2 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:30 pm
by amnal
Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O . O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




This is a really interesting position. Can white just extend?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 3 X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 2 4 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 6 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way leaves black's group with problems and white's alive?

It seems like black should have a way to make the vital cut and at least save both groups, but I can't find one. Maybe I'm just being blind :)

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:46 pm
by Chew Terr
anmal:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 2 . O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 3 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not certain, but my assumption was that this 3 is the correct response to the extension. My sleepy reading at the moment seems to show that white has to let black cut at P5, or lose more?

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:49 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X 5 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 6 X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . . 2 4 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 3 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:53 pm
by Chew Terr
topazg:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X 8 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 7 2 4 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O 5 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 3 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not ideal, but I think I get something out of it?

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:37 pm
by amnal
Chew Terr wrote:topazg:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . x O X 8 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O B O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 7 2 4 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O 5 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 3 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not ideal, but I think I get something out of it?


Yes, this is a line I missed because I didn't read the 5-7 cut. It seems pretty good for white to make the perfect influence position (x is free), but it's better than I had been thinking!

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:50 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X 8 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . 7 2 4 O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O 5 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O 3 O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is pretty much what I came up with, so if you'll accept it, I'll take it.

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:44 am
by Chew Terr
Shaddy wrote:This is pretty much what I came up with, so if you'll accept it, I'll take it.


Okay. it's not what I hoped for when I started the fight, but then again, I really assumed that one of us would have a huge amount die, and that it had a good chance to be me. This seems to keep the game playable, so let's play it.

We each have one captured stone, and sente is yours.

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:51 am
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . W X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll just cancel out the captures. Also... sweet, sweet sente.

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:52 am
by prokofiev
Should black have pulled out at O9 before playing S10?

Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:56 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X . . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . B O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Prokofiev: Not sure, but I got scared and wanted to defend first, no matter what.

Wellp, we knew this was coming. Hoping that I can come out okay, but I still don't regret sacrificing sente to defend on the eastern side first.